Mouse 마우스 [2021]

[Vanusa]

5 hours ago, mademoiselle said:

Anteriormente, eu estava me perguntando por que o drama se chama Mouse . - agora temos uma resposta, ou seja, "somos ratos de laboratório" - hahahaha!

 

@Chocolate @SnowBlobVocês estão atualizados? Os episódios desta semana (16-17) confirmaram quem é a mãe de Ba Reum.

 

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Ainda há muitas coisas sem resposta, especialmente sobre como a história de Sung Yo Han se relaciona com a de Ba Reum. Mais três episódios devem ser suficientes para responder a tudo e está ficando claro que tudo isso é uma grande polêmica governamental. Parece que no momento em que Daniel Lee deu aquele envelope para a pessoa no carro preto, ele vendeu a vida de Yo Han e Ba Reum com ele. Esta organização OZ tem espionado secretamente Yo Han e Ba Reum desde o nascimento. A parte que acho mais ridícula é como estamos sendo informados do mal Ba Reum, que supostamente é inteligente (embora talvez não no nível de gênio como Yo Han) e se orgulha de seu assassinato em série, não tinha ideia de que estava sendo espionado e muito o mais importante é que todos os seus assassinatos deixaram evidências ou foram testemunhados!

 

É verdade que o malvado Ba Reum matou aquelas pessoas cruelmente, porém agora acho que a organização OZ e / ou quem quer que esteja liderando esta organização é ainda mais malvado do que Ba Reum, por saber a verdade e não colocar um ponto final nisso. Portanto, a questão é esta pessoa é o próprio Presidente (e aquela senhora Choi Young Shin) ou o Presidente da Assembleia Shin, pai de Shin Sang?

 

Em resumo, esses episódios confirmaram que Yo Han é realmente filho de Han Seo Joon, exceto que ele não é um psicopata, mas um gênio. Sua mãe, Sung Ji Eun, o ama, mas também o teme. Esta pobre mulher está sempre em dilema. Eu posso ver que ela quer amar Yo Han de todo o coração, mas ela também sente que ele não deveria nascer. Ver como ela procura Hong Joo e se oferece para tomar conta de seu neto diz muito sobre seu amor maternal e seus arrependimentos. Espero que no final do episódio ela saiba que Yo Han é uma criança normal. Ainda estou esperando pacientemente que o programa me diga o que Yo Han disse a ela e ela desabou no chão nos episódios anteriores. Também o que Yo Han queimou e porque ele tem dois carros.

 

Quanto a Ba Reum, embora eu não conseguisse mais me lembrar do rosto da mulher do episódio anterior, confirma-se que ela é a mãe solteira que perdeu o marido em um acidente de carro. Ela se casou novamente e teve os gêmeos. Eu também estava certo ao dizer que Song Soo Ho tinha algo a ver com o massacre da família Guryeong. O meio-irmão está morto, mas a meia-irmã ainda está viva, então alguns de vocês podem estar certos que o órfão adulto que vimos deve ser Jae Hee.

 

Eu gosto do passado de Bong Yi ligado ao de Yo Han e Ba Reum, mas eu realmente não gosto dela como personagem esta semana.

 

Embora eu goste que ela esteja ligada ao jovem Yo Han e Ba Reum, mas os detalhes estão ficando um pouco confusos, não é? Bong Yi mora em Anshin-dong. Jae Hoon e Yo Han estavam na mesma escola em Guryeong, não é? Ou Jae Hoon mudou-se com sua tia para Anshin-dong e foi lá onde conheceu Yo Han e Bong Yi?

 

Também Hong Joo! É óbvio que ela é filha de Park Du Seok. Sua história também precisa ser encerrada e ligada aos assassinatos anteriores.

 

Honestly, I don't understand why Ji Eun wanted to kill Bareum as a child, if he was not her son. She had two flashbacks from that moment when she was trying to hang Jae Hoon. I also do not understand why Yo Han had DNA results, and went to look for Michaela at the orphanage, (so it seemed when the nun implied that she learned that Yo Han was a murderer) and why he would be in front of the house where Jae Hoon lived with. supposed mother, stepfathers and brothers. He must be the nurse's son. Somehow they were switched. Ji Eun wouldn't have been able to raise his son when he was born, and who knows, the nurse's son was born premature? Maybe the nurse knew something? And it looks like Daniel started working for the government, but at some point did he join Yo Han to end these innocent deaths? The body found in the river was never identified. Maybe an OZ member? Yo Han killed him to save Daniel Lee who was against the OZ group. And another thing, the voice of the person who answered the cell phone of the guy who was following BR, in ep.17 was very similar to Yo Han's voice. And it looked like this guy might not be from the OZ group. Two political groups must be acting against each other. And after all, that day of the transplant, they either killed him in the hospital, or saved him because there was no sign of surgery on his head. I don't doubt or "dead" reappear at the end of the day.

[SnowBlob]

@mademoiselle 

On 5/8/2021 at 4:04 PM, mademoiselle said:

 

 

@Chocolate @SnowBlob Are you guys up to date? This week's episodes (16-17) confirmed who Ba Reum's mum is.

 

 

Yes .. we talked about it already in the comments before you? 

 

On 5/8/2021 at 4:04 PM, mademoiselle said:

 

Also Hong Joo! It's obvious that she is Park Du Seok's daughter. Her story also needs to be closed off and tie in with the past killings.

 

That's what I thought too and I hope this show better has a good explanation on how it is hat Hong Ju doesn't come forward unless don't tell me she doesn't remember who her parents are. ..... but she obviously remembered her brother and ... 

[Vanusa]

On 08/05/2021 at 09:39, Vanusa said:

Honestamente, não entendo por que Ji Eun queria matar Bareum quando criança, se ele não era filho dela. Ela teve dois flashbacks daquele momento em que estava tentando enforcar Jae Hoon. Eu também não entendo por que Yo Han tinha resultados de DNA e foi procurar Michaela no orfanato (pelo que parecia quando a freira deu a entender que ela soube que Yo Han era um assassino) e por que ele estaria na frente da casa onde morava com Jae Hoon. suposta mãe, padrastos e irmãos. Ele deve ser o filho da enfermeira. De alguma forma, eles foram trocados. Ji Eun não teria conseguido criar o filho quando ele nasceu, e quem sabe o filho da enfermeira nasceu prematuro? Talvez a enfermeira soubesse de algo? E parece que Daniel começou a trabalhar para o governo, mas em algum momento ele se juntou a Yo Han para acabar com essas mortes inocentes? O corpo encontrado no rio nunca foi identificado. Talvez um membro OZ? Yo Han o matou para salvar Daniel Lee, que era contra o grupo OZ. E outra coisa, a voz da pessoa que atendeu o celular do cara que estava seguindo BR, no ep.17 era muito parecida com a voz de Yo Han. E parecia que esse cara não era do grupo OZ. Dois grupos políticos devem agir um contra o outro. E afinal, naquele dia do transplante, ou o mataram no hospital, ou o salvaram porque não havia nenhum sinal de cirurgia na cabeça. Não duvido ou "morto" reaparece no final do dia. a voz da pessoa que atendeu o celular do cara que estava seguindo BR, no ep.17 era muito parecida com a voz de Yo Han. E parecia que esse cara não era do grupo OZ. Dois grupos políticos devem agir um contra o outro. E afinal, naquele dia do transplante, ou o mataram no hospital, ou o salvaram porque não havia nenhum sinal de cirurgia na cabeça. Não duvido ou "morto" reaparece no final do dia. a voz da pessoa que atendeu o celular do cara que estava seguindo BR, no ep.17 era muito parecida com a voz de Yo Han. E parecia que esse cara não era do grupo OZ. Dois grupos políticos devem agir um contra o outro. E afinal, naquele dia do transplante, ou o mataram no hospital, ou o salvaram porque não havia nenhum sinal de cirurgia na cabeça. Não duvido ou "morto" reaparece no final do dia.

In the end, Bareum is not HH's son, I just don't like how the script pushed that possibility, even to deceive. It would not be ethical, I think taxing the son as the father. In this case, as it is a delicate topic, they should have made it very clear from the start. Confusing people about psychopathic children being murderers, just for hereditary inheritance, is very delicate. Even if everything is explained in the end, people are confused.

[Darkarcana]

@mademoiselleim sad that you didn’t tag me. I’m such a mouse fan girl…nevermind.

On 5/8/2021 at 2:04 PM, mademoiselle said:

who Ba Reum's mum is.

I won’t take it to face value just yet. Need to wait and see since mouse have the habit of throwing things off.

 

 

Lee Seung Gi Sheds Heart-Wrenching Tears After Discovering Mysterious Photo In “Mouse”

 

Lee Seung Gi will experience an emotional moment in the next episode of tvN’s “Mouse.”

Spoilers

Previously, Jung Ba Reum (Lee Seung Gi) went into panic mode after realizing everything surrounding him was a lie. In addition, Go Moo Chi (Lee Hee Joon) found out that Lee Seung Gi had been at the crime sites where the criminals hadn’t been identified.

Newly released stills of episode 18 show Jung Ba Reum, a psychopathic predator who gained emotions after his brain surgery, pouring out his grief. Jung Ba Reum discovers a photo and freezes in shock. His eyes well up with tears, and he struggles to hold back his cries. However, he breaks down while clutching the picture against his chest. Curiosity is mounting over what kind of picture he found and why he started sobbing as soon as he saw it.

As soon as Lee Seung Gi arrived at the set, he talked with director Choi Joon Bae and worked on his emotions in order to portray this scene as naturally as possible. He then perfectly performed this scene by trying to endure his sadness at first but then bursting into uncontrollable tears later on. Moreover, it is said that Lee Seung Gi showed professional attitude on set by monitoring his scene and checking the details even when he hadn’t recovered from his emotions yet.

The drama’s production team commented, “As many events and twists have erupted in succession, we tried to compress the past narrative clearly again to help viewers understand the plot and increase their interest. Please look forward to the rest of the story about how Jung Ba Reum, who has learned about his past as a guinea pig, will face the huge truth that will gradually reveal himself.”

The next episode of “Mouse” will air on May 12 at 10:30 p.m. KST.

 

[mademoiselle]

Because you are by default is up to date, LOL, @Darkarcana

Actually I saw your rant, ahem, that's why I know you are up to date.

[ktcjdrama]

2 hours ago, Darkarcana said:

I won’t take it to face value just yet. Need to wait and see since mouse have the habit of throwing things off.

 so true.

Btw, is there a preview of ep.18 already?

[Darkarcana]

1 hour ago, ktcjdrama said:

 so true.

Btw, is there a preview of ep.18 already?

Yes it’s out, they made two but two very different kinds. So please watch both~

 

 

Also they have started filming ep 20 :) 

[Chocolate]

7 hours ago, Darkarcana said:

I won’t take it to face value just yet. Need to wait and see since mouse have the habit of throwing things off.

 

Agree!

 

I think there is still a possibility of a baby swap / Ji-Eun is Bareum's mother.

 

Ji-Eun's reactions to Jae Hoon/Bareum are very strange. If she is not the birth mother, she should not know who JH/Bareum is. She has no reason to keep tabs on the child of the researcher's wife. Even if she does know, she should know Bareum as a nation's son, like everyone else. But she sees Bareum as a psychopath - why? 

• Assuming she was just walking by and saw JH push his brother into the pit, she would just pull him aside and help the other child. Why would she strangle Jae Hoon and say he is a monster? Btw, we still agree that that woman is Ji-Eun and not the researcher's wife right?
• Why was her reaction at the hospital so extreme, until she vomitted? She was fearful of Bareum.

 

And Yo-Han told Ji-Eun: Your son is a killer.

 

Since Yo-Han has not killed anyone, he can't be referring to himself. Furthermore, everyone thinks that Yo-Han is the headhunter's son. So all those tests/research he has been doing cannot be confirmation of a "known" fact. He should have discovered something different.

 

And this! 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by Chocolate

[Darkarcana]

16 minutes ago, Chocolate said:

Why was her reaction at the hospital so extreme, until she vomitted? She was fearful of Bareum

This as well as why did BR goes towards her after calling her disgusting cow? You know? He could just walk off.

 

17 minutes ago, Chocolate said:

Since Yo-Han has not killed anyone, he can't be referring to himself. Furthermore, everyone thinks that Yo-Han is the headhunter's son. So all those tests/research he has been doing cannot be confirmation of a "known" fact. He should have discovered something different.

As well Yohan was caught stirring at the old house. If he is not related to the nurse and the family, why would he be there just stirring at the house? 

 

So many questions.

 

17 minutes ago, Chocolate said:

And this! 

Yeah I saw this lol!

[Vanusa]

2 hours ago, Darkarcana said:

Isso e também por que BR foi atrás dela depois de chamá-la de vaca nojenta? Você sabe? Ele poderia simplesmente ir embora.

 

Da mesma forma, Yohan foi pego se mexendo na velha casa. Se ele não é parente da enfermeira e da família, por que estaria ali só mexendo na casa? 

 

Tantas perguntas.

 

Sim, eu vi isso lol!

Most likely, Yo Han killed the person who tried to kill Daniel Lee. So yes, he killed someone and to confuse us more, he said this phrase: "you know your son is a murderer".

[Darkarcana]

Raw pictures

 

[Chocolate]

 

Lee Hee Joon Angrily Lashes Out At Lee Seung Gi In “Mouse”

May 12, 2021 by D. Kim

 

Intense new stills of “Mouse” have been released!

 

Spoilers

 

Previously, Jung Ba Reum (Lee Seung Gi) fell into panic after realizing that everything surrounding him was a lie. Go Moo Chi (Lee Hee Joon) also found out that Jung Ba Reum had been present at the criminal sites of a series of murder cases.

 

In the preview stills of episode 18, Jung Ba Reum and Go Moo Chi are involved in a physical encounter in front of the police station. Go Moo Chi’s eyes are full of rage as he grabs Jung Ba Reum’s collar, and Jung Ba Reum shivers in fear.

 

As Go Moo Chi brings Jung Ba Reum to the ground and swings his fist, Oh Bong Yi (Park Ju Hyun) belatedly arrives and tries to separate them. The tension in the stills draws curiosity for what caused so much anger from Go Moo Chi.

 

 

The three actors showed great teamwork on set, showing bright energy and rehearsing several times in order to perfect the scene. They immediately got into character once filming started, and once the scene was complete, Lee Hee Joon warmly checked on Lee Seung Gi and Park Ju Hyun to make sure they were alright.

 

Episode 18 of “Mouse” will air on May 12 at 10:30 p.m. KST.

 

Source

 

[Darkarcana]

The biggest highlight for me

 

 

 

 

[Warm Paws]

I've been liking the past couple of episodes because we're finally getting "reveals" and "answers". But come to think of it, there's still lots and lots of questions that need to be answered. And of course at this point, I've already forgotten what the questions even are. 🤣

Spoiler

 

I still want to know the contents of the research envelope Yohan burned. We now know that he isn't the 7 sins killer, so what did he have to hide and burn? I'm assuming that Yohan isn't the 7 sins killer, but not entirely clean either, and yeah, if he was referring to himself when he talked to JE, then the only thing I can think of is that he really did dump someone in the water. High chance it was an OZ member.

 

Why did JH's mom try to kill him twice in a row? From what I understand, the time that the mom tried to kill JH in bed was just the day after she tried to kill him outdoors. So what stopped her in the first place? 

 

I can't remember which episode it was now, but I sort of laughed when Dr. Lee didn't know who Bareum is as well. 😂 I kept on thinking that we'll be getting all of the answers from him, but he's out of the loop as well. 

 

I'm surprised that BY and HJ had no idea who JE is... especially when the information is already out there. People even vandalized JE's home, so it's not exactly a secret that she's YH's mom. For their job and just how close they are to the cases, I can't believe either of them were clueless. 🤔

 

Detective Shin still hasn't done anything, so I'm not sure if he's actually just some neutral person. And is Detective Lee supposed to be the person assigned to Det. Shin or Bareum or both? Not really sure how many OZ members are watching over them. Why do I feel like Dong-Koo is also one of them? 

 

 

We're down to the last 3 episodes (I believe ep 18 should already be out? so last 2) and I'm sort of prepared that not all questions will be answered. Should we be preparing for an open-end to the story with the actual ending up for debate? 

 

And really, I'm very amazed at how some people's theories have been spot on from the very start. 👌👌

[Warm Paws]

Just finished watching ep 18. One of my long standing questions has finally been answered and I'm quite satisfied with how they did it. It's the very first scene of the episode with YH reading BR's diary with his own voice as the voiceover. 👌

 

And really, when I thought it couldn't get any worse for JE, so many bad things still keep on happening to her. I feel so bad for her. 😢

[Darkarcana]

On 20th May, which is the day after ep 20 is aired, there will be another special. This is the final special whereby bts/undisclosed videos will be shown.

 

Mouse doesn't want to let us go even though it ended huh😆

[Darkarcana]

 

Our trio is here!

[jeijei]

If the govt refuses to kill HH, let BR do it in jail. Finish him for me please. 

 

It's difficult to read spoiler tweets now knowing YH's involvement. This is also a PSA when dealing with psychopaths. Don't play their games unless you've got backup. 

 

I revisited FMA Brotherhood, and I suddenly remembered the 7 Virtues. Yeah, they're the reversed 7 Deadly Sins. This drama has turned them into 7 Deadly Virtues 😂

 

 

[Chocolate]

Firstly, congrats to Lee Seung Gi for winning Best Variety Performer at Baeksang. I am a relative newbie to k-ent but even globally, he is a rare breed who is able to excel in singing, hosting and as we can see in Mouse, acting. 👍👏

 

Last week's episode:

• There was indeed a baby swap! Agreed by both mothers! From what I gather (that scene was really too short and quick considering the import), Ji-eun wanted to throw her baby out the window after giving birth, while the nurse had seen the tie-knot murderer push his mother out the window and was afraid. So they agreed to swap their babies, monitor the 2 children as they grow, and if the child should be evil, it will be easier for the mother to kill the child because she was not the birth mother??? 🤔 [Frankly, this doesn't make much sense from the nurse's perspective - the odds of HH's child turning out worse than her own is higher, plus she is sending her son to live and suffer the prejudice as HH's son🙄]
• So Ba-reum is indeed JE's and HH's son. Did BR know (before the transplant)? Think it was not shown.
• HH already knew when he did the brain transplant. After he was asked to save BR, he went to the outdoor shower room where Chi-kook was attacked and found the music player that BR was listening too when he stabbed CK. Don't ask why there was still battery after more than year 😂 but it was playing the music that HH used to play to JE/baby when she was pregnant. So he decided to look into it.
• At the hospital, he overheard JE talking to an unconscious Yo-han and admitting that BR is his son.
• Thus, HH decided to do the surgery to save BR.

The shocker:

YH was recovering! HH said he needed a brain to do the transplant and since the public thinks YH is the killer, the government decided to sacrifice him. YH's brain was harvested when he was alive! 😱😭

 

As we wait for the last episode, which is apparently going to be 2 hours long, we should find out exactly what is OZ's purpose, and what this drama is trying to show. I must say that I am confused:

• Psychopath can or cannot feel remorse? - With the brain transplant, this point is now moot. The transplant artificially forces BR to become good so we will never know if a psychopath can feel it on his own.
• Nature vs Nurture - Jae-hoon wished/prayed to not become a monster, but it seems he did so from a logical standpoint (he knew it was wrong), not emotional. Was this recognition of good/evil at least from "nurture"? But OZ intentionally sent triggers so JH/BR's innate tendencies took over. Yo-han had the 1% genius gene so it was also not due to being "nurtured" that he did not become a psychopath.

 

Plus other loose ends which are too tiring to even recap. [While we complain that the drama is messy and often times illogical, we continue to watch 🤣😏].

 

And what would BR's ending be? I think he will die. Daniel had said that the mice after transplant died. So either BR would go the same way (which would be so anti climatic) or he would be killed - I hope by Bong Yi, so that she will regret her actions after she finds out that he had changed (even though artificially) and was trying to right the wrongs. I am sorry but I really dislike her character so I wouldn't mind seeing her suffer.

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Chocolate

[Vanusa]

13 hours ago, Chocolate said:

Em primeiro lugar, parabéns a Lee Seung Gi por ganhar o Melhor Artista de Variedade em Baeksang. Eu sou um novato em relação ao k-ent, mas mesmo globalmente, ele é uma raça rara que é capaz de se destacar em cantar, hospedar e, como podemos ver em Mouse, atuar. 👍 👏

 

Episódio da semana passada:

• Realmente houve uma troca de bebês! Aceito por ambas as mães! Pelo que entendi (aquela cena foi realmente muito curta e rápida considerando a importância), Ji-eun queria jogar seu bebê pela janela após o parto, enquanto a enfermeira tinha visto o assassino do nó de gravata empurrar sua mãe para fora da janela e estava com medo. Então eles concordaram em trocar seus bebês, monitorar as 2 crianças enquanto elas crescem, e se a criança for má, será mais fácil para a mãe matar a criança porque ela não era a mãe biológica ??? 🤔 [Francamente, isso não faz muito sentido do ponto de vista da enfermeira - as chances de o filho de HH ficar pior do que o dela é maior, mais ela está enviando seu filho para viver e sofrer o preconceito como filho de HH ]
• Então Ba-reum é de fato filho de JE e HH. BR sabia (antes do transplante)? Acho que não foi mostrado.
• HH já sabia quando fez o transplante de cérebro. Depois que ele foi solicitado a salvar BR, ele foi para o banheiro ao ar livre onde Chi-kook foi atacado e encontrou o tocador de música que BR também estava ouvindo quando esfaqueou CK. Não pergunte por que ainda havia bateria depois de mais de um ano 😂 mas estava tocando a música que HH costumava tocar para JE / baby quando ela estava grávida. Então ele decidiu investigar.
• No hospital, ele ouviu JE conversando com um Yo-han inconsciente e admitindo que BR é seu filho.
• Assim, HH decidiu fazer a cirurgia para salvar BR.

O choque:

YH estava se recuperando! HH disse que precisava de um cérebro para fazer o transplante e como o público pensa que YH é o assassino, o governo decidiu sacrificá-lo. O cérebro de YH foi colhido quando ele estava vivo! 😱 😭

 

Enquanto esperamos pelo último episódio, que aparentemente vai durar 2 horas, devemos descobrir exatamente qual é o propósito de OZ, e o que esse drama está tentando mostrar. Devo dizer que estou confuso:

• O psicopata pode ou não sentir remorso? - Com o transplante de cérebro, esse ponto agora é discutível. O transplante força BR artificialmente a se tornar bom, então nunca saberemos se um psicopata pode sentir isso sozinho.
• Natureza vs Criação - Jae-hoon desejou / rezou para não se tornar um monstro, mas parece que ele o fez de um ponto de vista lógico (ele sabia que estava errado), não emocional. Foi esse reconhecimento do bem / mal, pelo menos, da "criação"? Mas OZ intencionalmente enviou gatilhos para que as tendências inatas de JH / BR assumissem o controle. Yo-han tinha o gene 1% genius, então também não foi por ter sido "nutrido" que ele não se tornou um psicopata.

 

Além de outras pontas soltas que são cansativas demais para recapitular. [Enquanto reclamamos que o drama é confuso e muitas vezes ilógico, continuamos a assistir 🤣 😏 ].

 

E qual seria o final de BR? Eu acho que ele vai morrer. Daniel disse que os ratos morreram após o transplante. Então, ou BR seguiria o mesmo caminho (o que seria tão anticlimático) ou ele seria morto - espero por Bong Yi, para que ela se arrependa de suas ações depois de descobrir que ele havia mudado (embora artificialmente) e era tentando consertar os erros. Sinto muito, mas realmente não gosto da personagem dela, então não me importaria de vê-la sofrer.

 

Yes, we continue to watch. In my case, if it weren't for Lee Seung Gi, I would have given up already. The biggest problem with the comments I see, is that BR's fault for being a serial Killer comes from external factors. If your mother loved you, if Oz didn't exist. But while the author shows these external factors, she also introduces Jae Hoon and later, Bareum, as a murderous psychopath. It describes everything we know about predators like Ted Bundy. Those that science says haven't empathize. In fact it shows a murderer of the highest level of wickedness already in his first death. So the message is never clear. Another thing. Have you ever imagined Ji Eun's situation? And the nurse? Do you know what started the whole problem? Such a genetic test. In addition to knowing that her children are tested positive, the author pushes a dramatic murder of a mother in front of them. They were alone and disoriented. The story of the exchange was far-fetched. Nobody talks about solutions, nobody talks about therapy. There is no good message after all. And you still needed to kill Nepo, like that, after he knew he was going to have a girl? Unnecessary. We already know that OZ has no qualms. Instead of wasting time with this sad and shocking scene, focus on solving the loose scenes, just do it.

[SnowBlob]

Yes @Chocolate your baby-swap prediction was correct  

I wonder if BR wasnt triggered in any way..would he end up killing ppl? If not then...should the people who triggered this be blamed? 

 

@Chocolate in the end i dont quite like the 2 FL characters in this drama...Hong Ju or Bong Yi. 

 

I just wish that the good guys were able to realise the truth sooner ... Say in ep 18 or 19..and we could be given the satisfaction watching them trying to catch the 'right' perpetrators. 

[Chocolate]

23 minutes ago, SnowBlob said:

I wonder if BR wasnt triggered in any way..would he end up killing ppl?

 

And that's the pity - we never had the chance to find out / it was not explored. When he was young as Jae Hoon, we could see that he tried to the extent that he could - he scratched himself instead of hurting people he disliked and he prayed to not be a monster/he wished he could be kind like little Yo Han (although I think he was irritated by him too). So it seems "nurturing" worked to a certain degree. But personally, I'm not sure if it is possible to overcome genetics - if a person has a gene that predisposes him to a certain illness eg cancer, is there anything he can do to not become ill apart from removing the relevant parts?

 

There were so many ways the writer could have made BR "be good". It would have been better if after the hammering from Yo Han, BR discovered his emotions. It would be quite acceptable for the change to be due to the knock in the head, without foreign interference. But I guess that would change the story. 

 

[SnowBlob]

@Chocolate true...as you said that JH did feel the conflict when he was young as he wished he could be somehow turned into someone good..and therefore showed that he had some degree of moral compass. And i'm also not sure irl whether this could be a case of a psychopath. But again this drama also showed that no matter how much 'moral' or 'emotions' you injected into a psychopath (through brain transplant ehem..)... Psychopath could still be triggered to kill nonetheless. 

For now (but my opinion can still change after ep 20)...i feel this drama could be much better if only it didnt try to complicate things too much.. 

[Warm Paws]

@Chocolate thanks for letting us know that the last episode is going to be 2 hours long. I wasn't sure how to feel about where we were at the end of the last 2 episodes and felt that one last episode might not be enough and knowing that it'll be 2 hours long kinda helps I guess. 

 

Honestly, I never liked the idea of a baby swap since the beginning. Now that it has been revealed, I found it very unnecessary, especially at this point with all the other reveals. Before the baby swap reveal, I actually found it satisfying that JH was the Nurse's son and YH as JE's son. The blurred shot of the mother strangling JH was actually the only thing for me that tied JE as JH's mom. (LOL, while writing this, I actually realized that person could still have actually been JE strangling JH) When it was shown that JH's mom was the Nurse/good mom, it made sense to me and I would have been satisfied if it stayed that way. Everyone kept on pushing that JH/BR had to be HH's son since JH/BR was a psycho, and the Nurse's son had to be good since both the parents were good, but it didn't have to be that way. I feel like the story would have been perfectly fine (or even better) without the baby swap. For a moment, I was happy that HH's son (if was indeed YH) didn't turn out to be a psycho and actually quite the opposite.

 

In terms of the ending, I'm kinda pessimistic that there will be a good ending, especially for BR. Knowing that OZ actually pushed JH/BR to become the psycho killer that he was, we can at least know that somehow BR wasn't all that bad and could have actually grown up to be a good person. We don't really know the full extent of OZ's involvement with BR's killings. We do know that they did some manipulation for the first murder, but I'm not quite sure if it's true for the rest of the murders and by how much. Despite this fact, I'm not sure if BR can or should be forgiven, so really, I don't see a good ending for him. Again, at least we do know that at there's at least some actual good inside him. 

 

With the end of the episode 19, BR is at the point of his 'investigation' around the same point YH was with his, and we all know how YH's investigation ended. BR has already given his "just give me a bit more time" and "I'll tell you after this and that" to the other leads. Now it can go similar to what happened with YH, with MC killing him BR right before BR cracks the OZ case, or maybe things will happen differently this time around...

[Vanusa]

When and I ask, if Bareum would be different if it weren't for external factors, I see the answer there in the way the author creates it as we know real life serial killer psychopaths. We know he hasn't had a morality meter since he was a kid. Zero empathy, and still killed animals. Since no one interfered, he continued almost explicitly. But either way, the way he was presented, when he took his revenge and when he engineered each murder, tells us that any trigger would make it so. So the author mixed everything up. Innate psychopath, as science classifies it, at the same time that it has an organization behind feeding its sadistic side. What I find strange, is how they used so many fairy tales for the tragedies of this drama. Is Oz also behind how BR decided to associate his deaths with fairytale characters? Leave to explain everything in the last episode?

Edited May 18, 2021 by Vanusa