Linnie

4 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

Eps 18 to 20 were somewhat bittersweet.

 

For one I was happy to see that Ping Ping  is now on the road to recovery. I loved Yu Sheng's gentle approach to getting to know and bond with Ping Ping. I grieve  for those lost years each time I see their little moments together. But of course the past cannot be changed. 

 

 

I understand TJ's concern about YS's father wanting to take PP away from her but I feel this could have been avoided if she would allow them into their lives. Some sort of compromise may have been a better way to handle this. I don't know if she realises it but YS is her greatest ally, and she should have trusted him.  I could go on and on about how I disagreed with TJ's decisions but I also realised that she may have had her views skewed and judgement clouded thanks to Mark's counsel and advice. While on the surface Mark may seem to have her interests at heart , he is getting way to involved for an outsider. I am not getting good vibes from him .

 

I hate the old man's meddling but I hated it more that YS the father of Ping Ping is caught in the middle of this "war" and he's just doing his best to be understanding of TJ's feelings. But then he gets undermined by both his father and TJ . Is it any surprise that he had to seek psychological help in the early years after the break-up? And now he gets framed for bribery? This man can't seem to catch a break.

 

Ultimately, TJ needs to stop punishing YS for his father's sins, whatever they may be. 

everyone keeps asking her why did she do what she did seven years ago. What they should be asking instead is, why are you doing what you are doing now. She is not worthy of his unconditional love, her love is full of conditions, we all know its a happy ending. But if you think about it, this couple wouldn't be able to weather any storms that comes their way in the future. Their relationship is so unequal where she holds all the power, shes not reasonable in anything that she does. She isn't selfless, she puts her pride over her son, him, their relationship and in life.  She has way too much pride even in their younger years. She would get upset at him for buying stuff for her. ok he gets in trouble for buying her stuff?  They wouldn't have been in the child custody battle if she agreed to joint custody, she refused. Not sure what she wants? no custody access at all. She uses him when she needs him and throws him away when everything is done.  She has the audacity to say this to his father, that he uses her and throws her away when hes don, when shes been guilty of doing the same thing. I rather him end up with someone else. I think their relationship wouldn't be able to survive in the future. Its like he said with her, hes unworthy in love and trust. How do you have a relationship without the main two fundamental that makes it work?  I believe she loves him to a certain extent, but not enough. I feel sad that they end up together lol. They all deserve a happy ending but not together. I think that would be my ideal ending, that he realizes that he loved her and their relationship was beautiful as kids but as grown adults they dont work. Kind of like what Vicky said you can forget about the person, but they represent love and thats what you dont forget. I think he never fully got the love he needed from his father and he got that from her,.

I’d have to agree with you girls. You took the words right out of my mouth 😭 I left a message at MDL as well. I’ll copy and paste it here too. I don’t want a happy ending. I really think ML needs to move on. 

Just saw previews up to 30. FL is not worthy. At this point I don’t want a happy ending. They should part ways with joint custody. Time and time again she allows anyone and anything to come between her and ML. She knows the damage she caused when she broke up with ml first time yet it doesn’t stop her from doing it again without thinking about him. He has to pay for everyone’s actions. She’s not worthy because it’s always her pride above all. I’ve never been so annoyed by a FL. She is so selfish beyond reason. Even if the drama were to end with them together you better bet she would leave him again over the stupidest reason if given the chance. I remember how hurt ZLY was in Sword and Brocade when she casted doubt on him. NYS on the other hand has patience of mother Theresa with FL in here. FL seriously needs some medical intervention. She’s so consumed by the past. Some of the decisions she’s making is not that of a healthy adult. She claimed the mistakes she made in the past was because of her immaturity and having no one to consult. She has not matured since they broke up 7 years ago. She held onto a grudge for many years but doesn’t bother to investigate it further before jumping to conclusions. The most pitiful is the Mr Nie who thought his only wrongdoing was breaking them up and was robbed of his time left with his grandson.

The author posted to her weibo today to thank Wallace for his portrayal. The reply from one viewer is reflective of the masses

Author

"Thank you, Wallace Chung for your portrayal. Thank you sincerely. I was worried when I was writing this piece about the memory loss. I don't know if it would be embarrassing. Today the teenager soul of Nie Yusheng was in the mature man's body of Nie Yusheng. Precisely, vividly and naturally he is Nie Yusheng. I completely forgot about the actor Wallace Chung, all I see is Nie Yusheng. Thanks Wallace for your dedicated and flawless performance. The play is good, what I envisioned is established"

This comment to the author echos how viewers are feeling now:

"Do you know how many people have dropped this drama recently? Has this script really been polished for so many years? Does Tan Jing really love Nie Yusheng? How high is her IQ? What mother doesnt put her child's illness first?"

Totally agree. TIme and time again it was pride over her child's health and safety

51 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

I hope we can quickly be told more about Mark’s arc. I won’t blame TJ for going to him though because since their first meeting at the bakery, he’s shown himself to be a smart, knowledgeable and kind person. Besides he has the resources that her close friends don’t, ie.money and connections. I think his personal story brings sick child of a single mother resonates with TJ too, making her able to trust him easier. Another reason why she doesn’t tell her close friends/neighbors I think is that she doesn’t want to burden them. 

A lot of native viewers don't agree with her going to Mark at that particular time. Some say that it was perhaps the editing out of the 2 episodes that made the story feel choppy and you feel less empathy for her.  Its annoying a lot of viewers to the point some are considering dropping it.

It makes no sense she would rather trust someone she just met vs someone she knows would never hurt her and would have their child's interest at heart. It could be an editing problem. This drama was initially 32 episodes but was cut to 30. They're also second guessing her acting - that shes not able to portray the final moments leading up to her choosing to seek help from him so that you can emphasize with her.

The reception has been particularly good for this drama, its topping tv ratings and online popularity index

https://share.api.weibo.cn/share/278409810.html?weibo_id=4729132883385194

Though international audience feel that the FL is the victim, the Chinese audience think the ML is the victim.

The family feud between ML and FL lead from 7 years is a misunderstanding.

Mark's intentions are not innocent. His goal purpose is revenge. Its appalling that she goes to a person she only just met to tell him her life story, a story she hasnt told her closet friends. He's already caused a discord between the leads.

8 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

Hi @Linnie! Welcome to the forum. Glad you joined us here

 

Oooo this had crossed my mind ever since it was revealed that YS had another half sibling. Now , will have to watch very closely if Mark has any ill intentions. What are your thoughts on Mark and Vicky? I noted his jealousy when he said he was happy she broke up with YS in eps 15. 

 

Anyway if you want to put it in spoiler , you can use the "eye' button on the icon bar. Click on it and you can write inside it. I am personally fine with spoilers  but just in case the others want to avoid it. 

 

I do agree. And at that at this point , it would be rather selfish if she continues to prevent YS from having access to his son. I already felt her one way decision to not tell him about the pregnancy then has shortchanged him all the years that Ping Ping was growing up. I am not a fan of removing someone else's agency when it affects them. While I understood she was cornered 7 years ago with her dad's case, and being young I can overlook the emotional decision she made, I still wish she had trusted him enough to tell him. He was an adult too. Maybe she was trying to "protect" him I suppose.

 

But of course we can never make up for what is lost  ...I hope going forward she would change her stance and allow YS back into their lives. 

Thanks for the welcome! Mark and Vicky’s relationship, there must have been something amiss for them or I guess Mark to break it off. I feel like it has something to do with the NYS’s family, I also think there’s a reason for him to suddenly go back to her. As I watched todays episodes and she says something about him going to a psychiatrist. Later in the episode the lawyers dig up his past regarding this. Episode 19 and 20 makes me so angry. Just beyond selfish what she is doing. Not sure what Mark is stirring behind the scene but it seems like it’s there’s going to be some epic battles to come from his side with revenge against the NYS personal matter and his fathers business. 
@ktcjdrma thanks for the welcome. I’m not sure why she even has to to fight for custody. It’s a fathers right to have some sort of custody. She absolutely feels no guilt for the years she’s taken away from him. I’m pretty sure whatever happened 7 years back with the father is some sort of misunderstanding. I read spoilers that

 I have so much for to say regarding the last two episode. It’s really getting tiring how selfish she is. He’s talked to her several times regarding the whole situation and protecting her and their son and had promise he wouldn’t let his father anything but  it’s not getting through to her. I also loved what he said to her about being the parents of Ping Ping and not children of enemies. But that doesn’t have seem to resonate with her at all. Sigh 😞 looks like 10 episodes left with this whole part of her being selfish is dragging on. I know the second part of this drama has to do with the business side of things when NYS takes over his fathers business. I’ll be back later when gather my thoughts. What episodes are you girls on?

So much to say about this drama but don’t know where to start. I’ve watched up to 18 now. 
I’m sure Mark character has another side coming out. I’ve have read spoilers on him. Not sure how to enter spoilers here. It’s pretty shocking.  He is after all the illegitimate son and NYS half brother, so pretty much abandon by the family and only had his mother. I feel like he might have knew all along who Tang Jin was and pretended not to know. It seems very coincidental that he hired her. He might have knew since he saw her the first day. 
 

I’m in the minority perhaps, but I feel Tang Jang really wronged NYS. Perhaps when she was younger, I understand her reasoning for leaving him. She said it was to protect him, that’s why she broke up with him, but really contracts herself when she talks to Mark.  She says  could never be with him or accept him cause she feels like she would be wronging her dad. She doesn’t want to give him joint custody of the son, so what does she want?  So all the years she robbed him she never felt any guilt and still wants to continue to rob him of a relationship with their son. She goes to a complete stranger(Mark) for advice on getting full custody of her son and actually listens to him and doubts NYS intentions to her and the son. She supposedly tells him the whole story of what happened to them, but has never even told her story to her best friend at this point. 
She takes her pride over the life of her son. She had no money, but yet couldn’t tell him the truth so he could go into surgery. She delay and delayed the surgery when she could have use that chance to tell him the truth . He was supposedly in bad condition at the beginning. What if he died? She didn’t even give NYS the chance to know Ping Ping is his son. 
 

I could watched Wallace for days, his acting is always impeccable, he is soooo good. I can’t wait to watch the rest. Love love this drama, it’s storytelling at its best, so raw and magnificent.  The press it’s getting has been so so positive, especially for Wallace’s acting chops in this one