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On 12/3/2021 at 1:51 PM, liddi said:

Similarly, AHS' words to Dongmi reminds us why GHW suffered so terribly from their betrayal. To be abandoned without any word, left forever wondering why they were cast aside without being dignified with an explanation, is far worse than being told the reason for their departure. Thus I applaud his decision to stop looking for her and focus on the family who needs him, something I wish GHW had chosen to do instead of allowing herself to be driven to prolonged despair.

True, it is harder to let go under this circumstances, no premonition and WJ/HJ just up and left.  The self-directed blame will likely happened especially taking into account both Hannah and AHS's personality and love for the 2 cheaters.  If it was the other way around, WJ/HJ who were left without any word, it would have been different and both will instead get angry at the one who left and can easily let go.  But going back to AHS and GHW, maybe it was also easier for AHS to stop is coz he has his kids to focus on and they need him.  I mean GHW lost hers, hence even that she needed to untie.

On 12/3/2021 at 1:51 PM, liddi said:

 

Initially, I balked at GHW's complicity in JHJ's self-imposed exile, disappointed that in the end, she still took the chance for vengeance when offered to her. However, thinking back, I now believe that there could not have been any other option short of exposing Li-sa, and it was not malice that drove her decision. Had it been JHJ, I believe GHW would not have hesitated to hand over the bloodied pen over to the police and expose SWJ's murder, even if AHS would have lawyered up to get her absolved of any crime. However, because it was Li-sa who dealt the fatal blow, GHW could not bring herself to implicate the girl who was an innocent party from the start and should not have had to deal with the aftermath of her mother's wrongdoing. 

 

I rmb the bar owners words towards Haewon's Mom (kudos to her for apologising and owning up to her crimes), even if she was also a victim but she still did commit the wrongdoings, hence she should pay for it so she can start fresh. This has always been the issue with HJ and her inability to grasp the concept of owning up to one's mistake, which runs in the family from the Grandma to even AHS.  The video upload issue with JY and Lisa, they just don't go to the bottom of everything and just sweeps it under the rug and solves the problem favouring Lisa.  And Lisa knows it, hence even till the end (and with what she went through and lost) we can still see a bratty and a girl who comes across as knowing that she can get away with everything.  

I'll point the arrow to WJ as being the most toxic and the one that I am really pissed.  I know most here would have the disclaimer saying that all of them are toxic, but then just single out all the bad deeds (or presume ones) by HW or selfishness of HJ, and just sympathy for WJ's confusion.  

22 hours ago, Tofu said:

@akikisetsu I'm not sure if you're talking about us or about people watching this show in general?

 

If you were referring to the things we've discussed here, I can firmly say that none of us think HW should let things go or that HJ/WJ should be defended. I think it's important for us to express our thoughts on what we think is right or wrong for all the characters including HW, who I feel for the most.

 

 

Just got surprised when I read the current entries, as there seems to be an overwhelming consideration for WJ here.  Personally, I just don't get it.  It just comes across as wanting to lessen guilt of HJ and WJ compared to HW, so nitpicking on HW's conversation and action to WJ when they seemed straightforward and in context with time and typical human reaction.  

I guess this page is starting to become Woojae and Heejoo are the least culpable character in the series.  Wow, just seriously?!?!?!?

Everyone here is just so ready to try and "underhandedly" defend Woojae on the slightest nudge by HW.  Can she not say those words of blame when she is in the middle of her fear, confusion and grief at the hospital?  So, HW in the midst of her confusion should think logically and blame herself that she wasn't clear in her instruction to WJ?  She should watch her mouth and not say anything to a forever sullen and lost-looking WJ, coz it would hurt him and make it more confusing for him? Just because Woojae looks so sad and "lost", then he is less to blame for his past and current actions?  

So, Haewon is the crux of evil coz she cannot move on and leave Woojae and Heejoo alone?  The same people who blindsided her and just left her hanging to blame herself and whatever else she endured.  She found out about the whole betrayal in what I am assuming just a year - so if she wants revenge on them by wanting for them to feel the same pain as hers, is that not allowed within the timeline of her awareness of the betrayal?  Yes, it was old acts of betrayal, as it was years ago, but it is still considered as acute betrayal coz the knowledge of it was just recent.  So yeah, kinda understand why she is still in the middle of the stages -Anger.  It would be a herculean task to let go of the bitterness in her heart, if you've only had a short time to put together the pieces and process all the years wasted. 

As for what HW wants from them, she already told both HJ and WJ.  She wants HJ to feel the same pain, and WJ to be held down and pine forever.  If if I were WJ and did all these cowardly and conscious acts of hurt and destruction to others, and my punishment is to figure it out, then WJ has it easy. 

2 hours ago, ktcjdrama said:

This drama is based on a best-selling novel. I kinda read the review of the novel, and got spoiled about who HJ killed... 

There was an article though saying that they will deviate from the novel's ending.  Not sure which aspect they'll deviate from.

17 hours ago, Tofu said:

I don't think WJ is faking his amnesia either. His memories are slowly coming back but they are fuzzy causing him to think he did things with HW when those were done with HJ. He is still drawn to HJ and find himself wanting to know more about her. When he was taking a photo with HJ during her signing event and ignored HW's phone call, I felt so bad for HW. She loved a man who did not love her back and went through years of blaming herself before she found out.

 

I think WJ disappeared without a word too. What a cowardly and pathetic way out! They were together for so long and I don't think he respected (or even loved) her enough to tell her before he left. I understand that he was willing to "leave everyone and everything behind" for HJ, but I think you owe it to the other person to let them know. 

 

I can't believe we still have 10 more episodes left. What's going to happen in those episodes?! 

 

The bar scene with HJ and HW addressed some parts of how HW might have acted if they just told her...... when she said they were the two most precious people to her, and if HJ just told HW about her and WJ, she would have let WJ go to be with her. 

As for WJ not telling HW anything from maybe him falling out of love to the affair, is just a blatant disregard to HW, not even as a fiancee but just someone whom you shared years with.  And at the core of that is also his selfishness, just like HJ.  If he told her at the least that he is alive, then she could have at least save herself the years of trying to find him and the attached self-blame.  If he went further and told her that he is in love with HJ and they are together, then HW could have at least been given the chance to move on.  

Also the husband,  Hyeon-Seong, he seems to really love HJ.  And she's lucky there coz she has a support system.

3 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

 

 

 Anyway , I am just so happy to see more of KJY and I understand why he took up this role as there's an interesting layer to his personality. For me, while I think he wronged HW by marrying her while his heart was clearly with Hee Joo and was a coward in that respect, he had really loved Hee Joo. He was true to his feelings at the expense of hurting Hae Won. He escaped to Ireland with Hee Joo when she went there to study. And he had wanted a life with HJ , hoping she would give up her marriage. He said to her that he had thrown everything away but why can't she let go of anything.

 

WJ:  I'm late aren't I

HW:  For disappearing on me?  Or for not calling for the past four years when you were alive and well?

WJ:  I'll tell you everything once I get there and apologise properly.

HW:  So you want me to wait for you again?

HW:  If I wait for you, will you come?

Just based on this phone call, I am certain that HW really had no idea of WJ and HJ nor of WJ staying in Ireland.   I am thinking either WJ just up and vanished without a word OR he asked for that ever vague "SPACE" without saying anything nor releasing HW.  And it seems the second one might be it just coz the second part of the convo.... "so you want me to wait for you AGAIN?"  And that infuriates me more.    Hope can be paralysing.  Sometimes the most humane act that one can do is to release others from clinging to that glimmer of hope if he knows that he won't reciprocate and she deserves better.  It is on the same vein as HJ's action, but using a softer approach.  Though at the end of the day, it is the same thing - both want it all and unable to let go coz of different motivation, maybe HJ is just greed and selfishness, while WJ is cowardice.  I'm big on closure (tmi :)), hence these particular coward actions pisses me off.

P.S. 

Just read your timeline entry.....and WOW!!!!!!!! He just really vanished without a word.  Just heartless!!!!!!!! 

57 minutes ago, Tofu said:

 

This scene...

 

I wish I can live in a world where I can do that to a Hermes. lmao

On 10/27/2021 at 9:26 AM, abs-oluteM said:

From Naver about that interview ...gosh our poor boy was having such a hard time after BLWL. He mentioned in the interview about how he had lost confidence in acting, so this work was like going back to basics for him . That's why I think it felt special & he wanted to do it so badly.

 

Just curious...... I thought BLWL was a relatively successful weekend drama, why did he have a hard time?  Was his character a difficult one?  I admit I have a generalise view on weekend dramas as they seemed to film longer, hence actors become closer; and then characters they portray are most of the time run of mill.  

16 hours ago, Tofu said:

At this point, I wish that karma visit HJ soon. I think they are all pretty bad characters but thinking it about it some more, she slightly more horrible than the rest. She doesn't have any remorse after all she's done. HJ dislike the mother-in-law, but they are pretty similar, aren't they? They demand things from others but never look to see if they are the reason things are the way they are. 

 

With ROY, I lean towards remorse/accountability in judging who is the worst of the bunch as they are all doing shady things.  Hence, HJ wins this for me and WJ might be a close second as I am not yet certain on his "amnesia".  HJ is just unapologetic and everything that she did hurting others are NOT her fault, the blame lays on the other party.  As for WJ, just heartless to just up and leave without a single word, it was like sentencing HW to torture - a slow and painful one.  And then he can just forget?!?? Nope, not enough for me. 

As for HW, she'd have a hard time with her revenge as WJ is still her weakness.  She really need a long and exhausting therapy. 

19 hours ago, Tofu said:

 

I'm suspecting that WJ broke off his marriage (may not have been legally) with HW because of his affair with HJ. It almost seem like he was not with her because he loved her, but because of convenience -- maybe even for the both of them because HW mentioned there being benefits for married couples studying abroad. When she said she couldn't go study abroad anymore, was it because WJ disappeared with HJ?

 

 

Gah, I can't believe HJ and WJ did that to HW, horrible people! It's no wonder HW is out for blood from all of them. They basically did all of those things behind her back while she was blindly trusting them. There are clips of HW and WJ together again in next week's preview, but I can't imagine HW just getting back together with WJ -- I hope not. 

 

 

On HW's monologue before she saw HJ's poster by the street side, she mentioned that they just disappeared.  No explanations, no words...... He was a sunbae, fiancee and HJ was a friend..... the least that they (or he) could have done was tell her.... Hey, I'm alive and well but leaving you.  Such heartless people, and they were her friends or so she thought.

Also, HW does have an awareness that WJ was the one who ruined her, but I wonder if there is more that HJ directly did to her.  We haven't seen how she got her injury and that particular incident.  I do wonder if the incident is just the 2 disappearing for a while, or there is more "action" involved. 

13 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

Me...I was like errr how is this +19? Never saw anything also...

We usually get these scenes in movies, for dramas it is the morning after scene that we get.  So yeah, them insuatininng the deed and not the aftermath, it is R19 for k-drama standards.

18 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

 

 

Hae Won needs to start loving herself & should not reunite with Woo Jae - at least from what I get of the story , it is such a toxic relationship. Really crazy.

 

I honestly hope she just needs closure coz she was left hanging.  But then again, we won't have a 16 episodes if that will be the case. 

1 hour ago, ktcjdrama said:

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Only one thing we know for certain for now, ie. WJ-HW got married in 2013, 8 years ago. We don’t know how old the little boy is, but I am guessing younger than 8 yo. So most probably with HW first, then with HJ. That’s probably why HW is so angry. Wonder if she knows about the love child or not. 

That was also my first thought, WJ and HW were in a relationship, but seems WJ fell in love with HJ along the way.  Just that WJ and HW's interaction from flashbacks are too platonic, but then again if theirs is a long-term one could be.  Anyways, it stills smells like betrayal and/or used by both and discarded as trash, which can really make one seek revenge especially if those who hurt her were never apologetic and even living well.  

Also, Shin Dong Wook's Sun Woo is also an interesting character, as unlike his sister he seems able to "feel" remorse.  And, him and HW are just so broken.  HJ can be at times pitiful, but somehow I don't think she is and will be broken anytime soon, she gives gives me that impression.  

I'm getting curious with how the story will unfold, as we get bits and pieces. I do wonder if Woojae-Heejoo relationship came first, and when that fell apart, Woojae "used" Haewon in the process of wanting HJ to be jealous or he just doesn't care whomever he is with.  But if that is the case, timeline doesn't seem to align.  

Episode 3 highlighted how bratty Heejoo's kids are, and somehow Heejoo's skewed views as well.  I mean Haewon brought it upon herself coz she introduced Woojae to her? 

19 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

This is not the 1st actor/ celebrity that has issues , so I am so used to things like that.

I have adored him since 2017 when the Strongest Deliveryman started ( I started both his thread on Soompi & here ) so you can imagine I am disappointed. But oh well life goes on. There will be other oppas to love. I need to find another money making thread 

I knew him more for his variety persona, hence I was really shocked with all that came out.  Variety shows are very tricky as it the easiest way to get close to the general public, but image perception is also stronger.  Hence, if a lily-white persona was established (whether consciously or unconsciously) through a well-loved variety show, the expectation is greater.  I just really feel bad to the ex, HCCC crew and casts (as they seem to be receiving a whiplash effect) and 1N2D.  But seriously, 1N2D might need to do a detailed exorcism of some sort.  

On 10/14/2021 at 9:49 PM, ktcjdrama said:

Because of a body being dumped at the beginning of first episode, I am more inclined to think he was harmed. Most probably by Hee Joo who didn’t want her life disrupted. Maybe he’s gotten too obsessed with her and she’s had enough of him. Then husband found out and rescued Woo Jae and sent him for treatment overseas. Because he is a kind person? Because he wants to protect Hee Joo? Hae Won then found out later what happened to Woo Jae and that’s why she went on revenge mode. ~ all pure speculation from me. 
 

Interesting though, why the director of the gallery is surprised to find out Woo Jae’s sculptures are with her. Is their marriage not known to other people? Because Hee Joo’s husband also was surprised to hear Woo Jae has a family. 

I'm usually not into this type of drama, but wanted to give ROY a watch for Shin Hyun Been, and it was an interesting watch.  Personally, I did like the way that they set-up the premises and mysteries.  And maybe I am a biased viewer, but theorising about the possible background, I kinda understand why Hae Won deserves the revenge that she is exacting.  As of now, these are fun speculations:

Hae Won-  I am actually hoping that she lost her light not just coz of Woo Jae, but something more.  Two possibilities that I can think off with regards to the arm injury:  Her arm injury could possibly be related to the HJ/WJ incident OR the it was a result of her suicide attempts.  The arm injury could be extensive enough that it hindered her Art.  If she lost both her fiancee, physical injury, and community standing (in her convo she mentioned that she was unable to graduate to her original university coz of what happened).... then her revenge makes sense to me. 

Cafe conversation with HJ and HW - I was with Hae Won when she mentioned Lisa's treatment of her friend, just the entitlement and disrespect for others is infuriating.  It just seeps through MIL, Husband (?), kids and glimpses of it with HJ.  

Woo Jae- I read a character description where he is basically living in the shadows of his famous sculptor father.  And looking at that ep. 2 ending, it already seems he already fell out of love with Hae Won and might have been interested with Hee Joo by then.  I think HJ reciprocates his interest, and as the age of the "bratty" son is a suspect, hence there might be something there. 

If GHJ got involved between Goo Hae Won and Seo Woo Jae in the past, and that caused the death and misery of the two.  Then, I wonder how they will make Jeong Hee Joo still sympathetic to the viewers or will they just go full-on villain/selfish GHJ?  If the premise was really JHJ messing with the young GHW, then I can sympathise with Hae Won wanting revenge in the present. 

6 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

@akikisetsu But from what I understand that they are still together right?

Yes, all couple were together.  I guess it was just the imbalance between expectation and reality.  There was just a part of me that wanted to see at least one significant milestone from Wingar.  Yeah, we were told and such (Meet the Mom, Gyeoul knows DLL, USA together), but part of me wanted to see it.  Since together with Bidulgi, the semi-angst with them was drama-standard long.  We were discussing it over on twitter and maybe the news article of Lee Il Hwa cameo also increased the expectation.  I was guilty that my imagination run with it and immediately thought of Mama Rosa-Gyeoul garden conversation in S1 and I thought JW will mirror that in S2.  My mind was even thinking of the Chilbong meta. 

But all good now, I can just read FF, and hoping against hope that we get S3.  

11 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

@akikisetsu Ooo didn't realise they are done with filming. I am very nervous for all these historical dramas now after JE which I was so looking forward to. 

 

Wow...teaser for OST 1 is out too. Love 

 

I think one of the production staff shared an IG story about their filming end, and it was reposted by a KYJ-stan account.  I think it took them more or less 9 months, which is quite long.  But that stan account did mentioned that Jang PD is known to be quite meticulous, which I hope will be good for editing and such.  Less for the visual aesthetics but more for "checking". 

I'm glad that the long-ish preview shown during the press con has different tone from the prior (maybe leak) one, the one with the dragon and the white-haired child actress.  The current preview is more align with typical Sageuk visuals and dress and also Joseon timeline, hence I really think that Jang Tae Yoo PD took the learnings from JE.  And it is a good thing that they are done with filming, hence they can review the contents better.  

5 hours ago, abs-oluteM said:

Cannot wait to see if Ik Sun will return or not. And the end bit of the preview with Gyeol looking sad in the preview has got me wondering .....angst ahead after all the fluffy goodness ?

 

My theory on the "possible unkept promise" of Gyeoul has something to do with Iksun's surgery.  I'm just connecting dots from dashes of scenes from previous episode and the preview:  Iksun insisting to keep her condition a secret from last episode, Gyeoul and Prof Jong in their plain clothes carrying a transplant ice box, Gyeoul inside the OR changing area at 4am looking at her phone, and also that scene between Jeong Won and Ikjun with cigarettes on talking.  

Just my guess...... But if we get Winter Garden angst that is non-medically related, I'll also gladly looked at it fondly, I'm easy that way.  

Btw based on Gyeoul's signature outfit, it's so hard to hazard a guess about timelines, locations and possible scenarios.  Her signature outfit throws me for a loop.  

I have faith that Gyeoul will be able to see the secret through, JW on the other hand, not too sure.  If even with Ikjun he makes a fuss, and too think Ikjun has always called uri Gyeoul, he won't be able to control himself.  

Also, I'm getting curious on who the new GS resident will be.  Seong Yeon and Chang Min are almost done with their internship, hence might be one of them or a new character. 

Just wanted to share my thoughts and joy with HP2 and I can totally relate to a tweet that says HP is the cure for all ailments, physical or mental.  My endorphins are at an all-time high, career stresses are put on the side (as fangirl-ing over HP and WG couple is so much fun).  I'll organized it using their couple names (just coz its fun that way): :)

GomGom Couple

I think MH is really good fit with SHyeong's personality, as she is bright, fun, extrovert, conversation starter and doesn't take things too seriously.  SHyeong seems like a wounded bird, hence MH's way of being honest and open to him is a good trait of a friend (or maybe more), this is evident as our Bear doctor is starting to opened up to her.  Though for them to work out as more than friends, it lies with SHyeong.  As mentioned by @40somethingahjumma, it could also be that SHyeong is fine being alone in love (as not all that are single are lonely).  Though I think SHwa fits that bill more than SHyeong, being contented on the status of her life (different facets of it) and not actively looking for someone to date or marry.  SHyeong, he seems to fit the bill of someone who is alone and lonely, that person who has some inner stuff and baggages that he needs to untie and face, before anything or anyone else comes in to change the status quo. 

IKSONG Couple

I've said this on another forum, from the angle of IJ and as drama-viewer I can (and want) to see them working out as a couple.  From a real-life angle or even from SHwa's lens, it is hard to cross that friends to lovers bridge.  This is beyond the usual take a risk and reap the benefit.  It's even more complicated coz I really feel that SHwa did have feelings for IJ in their 1st few years of friendship, unrequited love on your best bud.  And how do you usually get over that?  Well for one, telling yourself everyday that IJ is a friend nothing more, schooling your features to not give anything away and diversion to other things or people.  A habit can be form in 21 days, what can we expect to happened if for years you've taught yourself that he is friend, only a friend (motto or even a mantra). That would be cemented in your mind.  How do you then just remove that mantra that has kept you for 20 years, when possibly the way that she was able to survive what she thought an unrequited love is to hold on that long to it?

Wintergarden Couple

My favorite and always will be!!!!!!!!!  I'm just happy that we've got ahealthy, balance and mature relationship from WG.  It's a relationship that helps their individual growth and anchors them.  As for some comments on other platforms stating that their progression seems fast, I don't think so.  Breaking it down, JW is the type to agonise (in his head) for a long time over two course of action, then his heart weirdly will accept a decision, but he doesn't act swiftly, but subconsciously his showing signs of going in one direction, but he doesn't overtly say it.  Just like his chaebol status. Personally, I think he knew he feels something different about JG as early as episode 2 (strong emotions as he said not his cup of tea) or episode 3 (yukjeon episode).  And that is months of contemplation, which he did not share with anyone nor was it overtly obvious.  But somehow, I think when he was already speaking to her (in his head at least) in jondaemal, he already lean towards JG.  Hence, him being comfortable with JG makes sense, coz he has already gone through the stages in his head.  As for JG, her character has always been consistent, she doesn't really put covers or masks on, she is true to her core.  And it's nice that both IK and JW are helping her to polish the rough edges (and not changing her altogether), just providing perspectives and letting her be.  In dramas, sometimes they do have the tendency to make an extremely logical person become an extremely feeling one, just coz a feeling person is the nicer one.  

Admittedly, Bidulgi Couple is my least favorite one as of yet.  I don't know if it's my drama lens view that amongst the girls, Iksun is the one that seems so far to the rest of the casts, hence my investment in them is not as strong.   

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On the BTS at 3.55-3.59, we saw the hand of Shin PD "I think" he thought Gyeo Wool  was unsteady due to the force of the hug of JW.  Take whatever you can get from the realness of that hug during rehearsal.  

On 8/25/2020 at 9:30 AM, abs-oluteM said:

@lifeisfullofdrama happy you’re here ! 
 

my dear @kiklaminho yay !!!!!  
 

TBH I also hv a slight concern that the writer will troll us with some angst 😄 . Two seasons will  need some plot . But they should know better then to break them up knowing that the WG fandom is huge ! 
 

Do you guys think there will be a time jump ? Or do you think they will go back in time to show JW’s point of view ? I think that was one of the things that viewers kept bringing up  . That it was not clear how he felt & that everything that led up to the kiss was sudden . Lol ! 

Still over the moon with WG scenes yesterday!!!!!  As for the plot, I do get the sense that this time around they will focus in-depth on character growth through their patient cases, as their episode 2 preview is a continuation of their cases in episode 1.  Hence for WG, I do feel that their plot line might be more on realistic and practical ones and less of the angst.  I think WG will deliver more on the lighthearted giddy scenes, just to balance out the other couples angst-filled journey.  So, AO3 fluff scenes coming our way!!!!!!!! 

Time-jump, I don't think its a substantial time jump, but more like what they are currently doing in showing mundane hospital tasks, and before you know it it's already 3 months after.  That kind of time-jump for the first few episodes.  Not sure about the latter.   This is an IF (and I REALLY HOPE) we get a season 3, there might be big time jump towards the latter episodes.  

Btw, the episode 1 BTS......... WG.......

I am constantly refreshing Netflix right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I need to watch with subs, I am combusting with all the WG scenes.

So Happy on this possible casting news of our girl!!!!

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