Yes, I have seen a lot of thugs carrying more than a steel pipe all over Kdramaland. When I wrote my comment, I only had the thugs on Taxi Driver in mind. I should have made myself clearer. Silly thought that those thugs would even observe the law to begin with, but now that I think of it, I can't remember ever seeing Seok Tae carrying a gun to protect Madam Baek or himself. Even in the private prison when they were waiting for Do Ki to show up, there was no gun in sight, right? I guess they just relied on all their minions to get rid of Do Ki easily so they never bothered to prepare any guns and thought no one could ever defeat them anyway.