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@Chocolate I think your review is fairer than the one you shared. Hahaha... I agree with you that the reason why the "romance" seems to be overshadowing the "start-up" storyline is because, well, that's how the writer has written it. Hence my post in Seonho's thread about what exactly this story is about - letters or startups? If you could pick a new title for this show, what would it be? Looking at her other shows, would it have been: Pinocchio or Investigative Reporting? While You Were Sleeping or Law & Order? So, Start-up or Dear Dalmi? Just saying. As regards "life stages" and therefore not comparing Han Jipyeong with Nam Dosan - well, the writer presented them exactly as comparisons. And what's wrong with that? As many people who think Jipyeong is the better choice because he is exactly older, more stable, more established (nevermind he's the actual writer of those letters), there are people who also think Dosan is the better because he is exactly a peer, in the same time of life, understands the struggles of trying to start a business. Which brings me to my next point - no, Dalmi is not the prize to be won, but she's also not been presented that way. Right through it all, she's the one who holds the scepter in her hands. She's not a damsel in distress at all.

YAH RIGHT?!?!?! So @Lynne @abs-oluteM and everyone else that has been ranting here about how the story's been going - agree, agree, agree! With all of your posts! KSH bias aside, seriously... story-wise, exactly as @40somethingahjumma has said, how is anyone a second lead with such a well developed back story? Just because he's placed in promo material with the female lead does not make him the de facto lead to get the girl. In fact, Regardless, this is a thread dedicated to Seonho, and I must say, he's absolutely killing every scene he's in. Even on 2D1N. Every cut he's in is just better than the rest of the show. Hahaha...

@abs-oluteM NoooOOOOoOoOOoooO!!! Swoon listed Han Jipyeong as a second lead! I refuse to accept that!!!

2 more sleeps before the time jump. I hope we get some good scenes from what happened in the 3 years and how each character matured through it. I’m still wondering what the deal will be between Injae and her stepdad. Mum’s clearly not gone back to him...

Watching ep 2 of 2D1N current season - do they really not get fed if they fail the games? So cruel! Poor Seonho looked so guilty when he lost rounds that cost the team food. Poor thing! I feel so bad for him!

Han Jipyeong spin-off! Sekali the plot twist is the bro-sis relationship between him and Dalmi. oh no!

About Jipyeong possibly never having dated before... I find that unlikely. He’s at least 33/34 already in the show? And had spent time working in the US, according to Mr Park. If you see how he “coached” Dosan in the first episode on how to treat Dalmi, and how he’s behaved towards her - making sure she doesn’t hit her head getting into the car, making sure she’s sent home, comfortable in the car, opens her water bottle for her, etc. He’s nothing short of experienced etiquette-wise. I really think he holds himself back when it comes to Dalmi cos of Halmeoni. If there was no complication in the past, he would have totally disregarded Dosan already.

I started watching 2D1N last night. Can see Seon Ho was really awkward at the start, compared to all these other later clips shared. I like these variety shows cos despite the editing, there’s a lot of their own personality in the show. And given what happened to previous members, the producers have apparently screened very carefully for the current cast, right? Seon Ho is just so real. I really like screen actors who are also stage actors, like Sir Patrick Stewart (of Star Trek, Jean-Luc Picard). They really know their craft and are not in it for the fame and glitz. Nevertheless happy for him he’s finally recognised at the level he should be.

@abs-oluteM Totally agree with your rant. My hearteu! My hearteu! I'm so glad there's this thread where we can be blatantly biased. There's something about Kim Seonho's look that's not very "typical". Guess it's like what the Startup director said about him - there's a certain aura about him that adds to some mystery on screen. I think I'm gonna have to watch 1D2N now... hahaha...

Taking in everyone’s POV. Here’s mine: 1. Nam Dosan and Han Jipyeong slugging it out. 2. Dalmi’s (sudden) disregard for the letters. 3. Samsan Tech boys, Alex and Sandbox 4. Does Jipyeong even stand a chance? At this point, I am feeling disappointed as far as story development is concerned. But 4 more 1.5h episodes is actually quite a bit of story telling left. I want to know more what will happen with Injae, mum, stepdad and stepbro. I want to know more about how Dosan’s dad and his colleagues will resolve their dispute with Injae Company. Surely Chulsan and Saha have some way to go still? And really, is that all Yoon Daepyo was for? To stand around and say encouraging words only? Such a waste of a good actress.

Hahahah... I was thinking that last night also. But Jipyeong look so handsome in the preview leh... hahahah... watching for all the shallow reasons now. Hee hee hee... But seriously, that scene with Halmeoni. My hearteu! Made Hubby watch last night’s episode with me. He now thinks too that writer is pushing us towards Dosan. “Maybe in the process of writing his character, she also started to feel this is the direction to go.” Sigh. “If Dosan is the one, she will wait 3 years. Meanwhile, placing Jipyeong in the mentor position also puts a distance between them.” Which I feel so too. Realise he hasn’t made a single move all this while? Not even when he confessed to her his feelings. Now why is that? Respectful of her? Respectful of Halmeoni’s wishes? He’s the noble idiot here. And what’s the age gap between them in the show? 6 years?

@abs-oluteM This weekend's episode's pushing us towards Dosan I'm so sad... But preview has Jipyeong saying he has the right to prevent Dosan from seeing Dalmi I'm so confused. And preview also shows Jipyeong staying over at her house I'm so happy! Aiyah. This silly show. I wonder if Jipyeong made a move at all in the 3 years. Stupid boy if he didn't. Jipyeong did get more handsome in the time jump though.

Looks like episode 11 got a lot of people talking! I reckon I've also got my fair share to say. 1. I don't think of the matter with Alex as a plot twist - that Samsan Tech signed away their company was an absolute show of naivety and (youthful) arrogance on the part of all 5 of them. Alex had made it very clear that he wanted only Dosan. He even said it point blank in his face that Dosan has proven his ability from COD to the first pitch, but he wasn't sure he wanted the rest of the Samsan team. Dosan simply wasn't listening, and I feel that he hasn't been listening to JP's advice from the start, whether JP was giving unsolicited advice pre-Sandbox or at Sandbox. If JP had not stopped them the previous time from stupidly giving those "investors" their technology, and JP - harsh as he might have seemed - they wouldn't even have lasted long enough to enter Sandbox. At this point, I'm just so annoyed with Dosan and Yongsan. 2. The twins - I'm not so sure if their willingness to ditch Injae Company is a trait desired by Silicon Valley. I think the scene was more there to be juxtaposed against Dosan - he's actually as good as if not better than the twins as an engineer, but he's clearly not succeeded all this while unlike the two because he has no desire to grow. He's hesitant to move forward and what tethers him makes him unable to grow. He cannot see the opportunities ahead of him because he fears challenges. And again, for me, that annoys me! I work with youths professionally and it is really very frustrating when you see potential being limited by such myopia and fears. 3. And so maybe that's another reason why Jipyeong seems more attractive to me - he is go getter like Dalmi. Philosophically he's a much better match for Dalmi on this point alone. Yes, life has dealt him with lots of lemons and no, he does not seem naturally cheerful unlike Dalmi. He's quite the grinch. Yet he does not give up on the chance to make it better, whether for himself, for Halmeoni or for Dalmi. Even for the Samsan Stooges. He wants the underdog to succeed actually. He just needs a better bedside manner about him, which I feel he is developing. The episode with what happened with Yongsan's brother has brought him to another level of self-awareness, just as all his pivotal encounters with Halmeoni. And therefore, I feel that if Dalmi does not end up with Jipyeong, it would seem like a betrayal of his character. He is her soulmate. 4. It does indeed seem like Yongsan is not the revenge dude. Sekali it's Chulsan. It still seems like it's someone related either to Injae Company or Samsan Tech. Could it be Injae herself wanting revenge against her stepdad?? What I'm really looking forward to in Ep 12 - Jipyeong pouring his heart out to Halmeoni. Remember her telling him she wishes she had known him sooner so she could step in for him if people bullied him or crushed his spirit? His spirit is so desperately being crushed now. I'm certain Halmeoni wants to protect him like she has Dalmi. Oh, Jipyeong, uri Jipyeong ah...

@abs-oluteMAgree with everything you said except the bit on Dalmi’s supposed noble idiocy. I didn’t read it that way. Of course, dialogues are snipped here and there for previews, so we don’t have the benefit of the whole context yet - which is exactly what they want, hahaha - but I read that scene this way: Dosan is upset that Dalmi does not try to hold him back, but she clearly believes he should go for his own sake and even for SST’s common future together, but he’s too naive to see that. She has always been the more logical one. He must have said something to her that made her blurt out of frustration that he’s not the Dosan of the letters, else he wouldn’t be behaving this way. And I think it was also a verbal articulation of the realisation that came upon her. He exactly isn’t behaving the way she would’ve expected “Dosan” to behave, because he’s essentially not the Dosan she knew. Jipyeong still has a chance. More later. I need to step out for the morning. Duty beckons.

My heart is breaking for Jipyeong still, especially after the preview. I suddenly don’t feel bad for Dosan anymore. Hmm... Was that Dalmi giving Dosan a goodbye kiss in the old Samsan Tech office?

@bairama Maybe that’s the plot twist everyone is waiting for! hahahaa

Good morning Chingu-deul!!! Can't wait for this evening's episode, though it's more likely I'll watch it only tomorrow... Anyhooo.... I've been forcing my hubby to have conversations with me about the show these few days. Hahaha... "How can it not be Han Jipyeong??" "It will be Han Jipyeong." "Ya right???" "Mm. The comparison with Wizard of Oz is a bit of a stretch. She'll have to choose." Judging from Park Hye Ryun's Pinocchio and WYWS... So I think as far as Start-Up is concerned, there are many more reveals and twists to come. One of them I'm expecting is who Saha is going to start dating in Samsan Tech. And then with Yoon Daepyo - feels like there's more to her than we know. That scene where she saw Yongsan's brother jump from the bridge has been repeated more than once. Why was she there? And this interest in who the girl on the swing actually was - did they put aside some kind of trust fund in her father's name or something like that? Jipyeong also still doesn't know Halmeoni's condition. When he finds out, will that bring about another change in the relationship between Jipyeong and Dalmi? And Injae's company vis-à-vis Dosan's dad's union protest. I don't think it's quite so simple. Is Injae's step dad fueling something to force her to return to run his company?

@Chocolate Where’s the interview where he said there will be some more twists in the story though?

@Chocolate Fingers crossed that these twists and turns are what we want! Hahaha... But you know, While You Were Sleeping, the plot twists and reveals were like and it didn't even have anything to do with the romance side of things. That's why I love this writer. There's someone lurking around that's not been fully revealed yet.

@Chocolate OMO. Your photo updates. Is that them in the future/present? They finished their filming yesterday? There's just so much more chemistry between Seonho and Suzy... I wonder if like for the Reply series, they were not told who they'd end up with until they received their final scripts?

@Chocolate Hahaha... I was giving my hubby the justifications I've read for DS-DM, and he's still quite adamant that it will end up with a JP-DM pairing. He seems more certain than I that the writer will just not betray her style and keep to her usual structure - end game couple were already tied together in the past and that bond is so strong no one can break it. Here's an absolutely illogical evidence based logic from me - the character that has Nam Dareum playing the youth version will win the girl. Evidence: Choi Dalpo and Jung Jaechan. Therefore Han Jipyeong too. Actually, considering what a prick Jipyeong is/can be, why do we still love him so much? Are all of Park Hye Ryun's "anointed ones" prickly? I'm not sure if you would consider Choi Dalpo prickly, but he was certainly aloof or at least pretended to be. Jung Jaechan was supposed to be dense, socially inept, and a general annoyance (at the beginning) to his co-workers. Both had something they wanted to hide behind the tough or indifferent exterior. And here we have... *drum roll*... HAN JIPYEONG! Prickly! Arrogant! Self-sufficient! NOT! Now in contrast, Seo Beomjo - a character described as generally not lacking in anything, generally a nice guy cruising along as in his rich kid outfit, but meets Inha whose personality and spunk caused him an inner awakening. And then we have Han Wootak - guy next door policeman, sincere, lives alone but generally fairly well adjusted until a near death incident and supernatural connection to Hongjoo starts to switch his life up and he wants in on a bit more of life through her. See where this is going stylistically? In this current storyline, we have... *drum roll*... NAM DOSAN! Nice, nerdy engineer who's neither achieved much nor little, basically cruising along in his safe little bubble world neither really failing nor succeeding until he bumps into Seo Dalmi who - again - causes an awakening in his self and he desires more. Except for the publicity material, which I still think is meant to throw us, it can't be DS. Even if it's not JP, it can't be DS... can it? Hahaha...

@bairama What's "Clown Theory"? I wouldn't be surprised if Startup ends with no commitment to either guy from Dalmi, though from the writer's past works, that seems unlikely. I do like that in her stories, she ties the loose ends up very well and nicely. I've just never seen before how intensely her "other male lead" is being followed though. I mean, all her male leads have been very nice characters. Just that Han Jipyeong is really gathering up quite a following!

Was watching some old episodes and these scenes caught my attention: Halmeoni told Jipyeong to come to her when it rains and he has nowhere to go. When he told her it was unfair that he could not have Dalmi cos Halmeoni wanted him to keep everything a secret, he was really aching inside and had “nowhere to go” but to Halmeoni. It was raining. Halmeoni was at Sandbox and Jipyeong saw her, he knelt down to tie her shoe laces like she did for him when she bought him new shoes and sent him off at the bus station. Halmeoni x Jipyeong

@abs-oluteM I’m here! I’m here! OMO... I’ve liked him since Strongest Deliveryman too! He was such a convincing rich brat. I think he acts so well. He seems like such a goofy person in real life - love it! So unpretentious.

From a photography perspective, B&W is used when the photographer wants to draw attention to feature details. It takes away distractions presented at times by colours. @JenLI have to say I'm quite surprised at the level of support JP is getting online on various platforms. Hahaha. It's almost as if people are protesting the DM-DS pairing, and those who are pro-DS are basically NJH fans. Hahaha... not very objective from story progression perspective. Honestly, just based on story progression and how everything is being shot, I really cannot see how it will be DS. Like most here, I don't think I'll have an issue if DS gets the girl in the end, but I don't think he's the better man. He may not be the worse option, cos there's inherently nothing wrong with him. But he's not the better person insofar as what Dalmi has been dreaming of. Jipyeong is the one who truly understands her. Until new things are revealed, my guess is still that Dosan will leave for Silicon Valley to better himself, and there is no obligation for Dalmi to wait. She is his first love, but Jipyeong is hers and vice versa (if first loves mean anything at all in KDramas).