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@mademoiselleI also don’t like the ex-fiancée plot line. It wasn’t in the webtoon. Actually, in the webtoon, Jihyuk committed suicide in 2023, so back in the past, there is no such “fear” for his eventual death since he knows being with Jiwon certainly means no regret that would lead him to end his own life. In that storyline, once they got together, they pretty much got together. I feel that with the original webtoon, there was enough story to not need the ex-fiancée appearing. hmm… But I do like that when she appeared, he held onto Jiwoon’s hands even more tightly. I too didn’t like that the so called “friends” came to mess up her Sumin’s wedding. What are they? Still in high school?? What kind of thanks could they possibly have wanted from the way they looked at Jiwon after showing up in this manner.

Well, she has every right to say she does not want him anymore cos he cheated on her! He's really all trash. Hahaha... But the web toon has quite a terrible end for Minhwan and his mother too.

Very minor differences. Ms Yang's personal storyline is a lot more fleshed out. She has marital problems too and seems to have "taken on" some of Jiwon's ill fortune, but I'm not sure if that will be played out in the drama. There's also this matter of what Jiwon thinks next needs to happen for Sumin to fully take on all of her misfortune - the cancer - but it's worrying if she does move in that direction!

@mademoiselle I have to say, Na In Woo is giving me the 190+cm Rowoon vibes... Hahaha... Agree Sumin is scary in how she manipulates and tries to steal everything from the one real friend that she had. And sad that Jiwon of old was too silly to allow herself to be treated in that way. But you know, that's how people in abusive relationships are - they end up being controlled and it's really not easy to step away from it all. I love it that the new Jiwon and new Jihyuk are learning that they need to take some measure of control over their own lives back into their own hands, though I hope Jihyuk makes "right" decisions - he's now manipulating the power he has and I'm not so sure he's using it all in the right way, e.g. getting his friends to scare Minhwan (though I must say that was also somewhat satisfying to watch). Anyone reading the webtoon? It's following it somewhat closely...

All caught up! I’m liking the pacing and development of the story, though I wonder which exactly are the inevitables, because it would seem as if every “inevitable” can still be moved around. Was the sacking of her immediate boss an inevitable? So getting scaled was inevitable - it happened to Ji Hyun instead of Ji Won. That abusive director’s flare up in the airplane was inevitable - just what triggered him and was said in the process changed. Ji Hyun’s sister being moved out of the department - it won’t happen now? The affair between Su Min and Min Hwan is inevitable- it just moved up in time line. Ms Yang becoming the Dept Manager happened instead of Su Min. Min Hwan’s marriage is inevitable - just with whom? I reckon Ji Won doesn’t dare to break up with Min Hwan still cos he has a temper issue. Ji Hyun helping with the proposal is prolly to make it clear she was not having an affair with him - Ji Won needs to remain blameless right through. But aiyoh. For sure his heart aches to see her getting proposed to by someone not himself. But above all, I reckon she wants it “public” so that Su Min can be jealous - which she now is and so she declares war. But Min Hwan is such an a**, and Su Min is a class A b with an itch. I’m glad Ji Won has told her off and are no longer friends. Then, what about poor Eun Ho? I hope Ji Hyuk’s noble idiocy doesn’t drag on for too long. He needs to tell Ji Won what he believes his end to be so that she too can help him change or deflect that.

I'm halfway through ep 7 (talk about speed watching... hahaha) and I like it that they didn't drag it out that both of them found out that each came from the future as it were. I don't like it that Ji Hyuk was iffy about him having to die to come back to the past, but hey, that's what noble idiocy and dramas are made of. I digress, but there's quite some nice palpable tension going on between them. Park Minyoung's last couple of pairings have been emm... So this thing about kitty. Is the kitty in his care now the same kitten during their uni days?

I'm finally watching this and am now at episode 4. So far so cute and fun. Is this the season of time slip dramas?? The common theme in all the time slip shows is "regret", or rather, "regret not". Makes me think Koreans are generally going through a regretful time?

@mademoiselle This is another one I'm trudging through. I don't know if I can reach the finishing line with this one either... The logic is lacklustre, they seem to have conveniently "chosen" persons to pop up suddenly with additional knowledge - like, why does Dongpal know how to stop the metamorphosis? And what good does that knowledge do? Until now, I still don't know why the 4 of them got tied up together. If Sanghyuk was the grandest of the 4 of them, it doesn't show - he seems to have the least understanding of them all when it comes to the nature of fairies...

@mademoiselle Aiyoh... It just started to get really draggy for me... I'm not sure if I will bother finishing it up (since I am desiring sleep more than leisure since the start of the year!). Skimmed through the posts above. Expected the ending as described by everyone... Not sure I liked the way the lore was written up here. I found the character of god particularly annoying and didn't like how the writing couldn't keep to a clear theology they wanted to base it all on - greek mythology? Christian theology? East Asian beliefs in reincarnation?

Hahaha… pick away! I just had to try to logic it out, otherwise it really would have been 12 hours of, “Wait, what happened??” I have to agree with you though, that I prefer this one to KTL. I shall have to check out all those other dramas you’re plugging! Hahaha. Now for me to also try to logic out what on earth is happening with Cupid. That one is also starting to be a bit frustrating…

@mademoiselle I've actually been wanting to watch this, but my 2023 ended busy and 2024 is starting out busy too... though I'm trying very hard not to be busy!

@mademoiselle @abs-oluteM @ktcjdrama @Tofu @SilverMoonTea OK. Finally watched it and finding the time to comment. I think the ending was the most disjointed and unsatisfactory ending ever, but I truly wasn't expecting much. The show is devoid of actual logic whether scientific or folkloric. Hahaha... this! So many gaps we had to fill in on our own! So here's my attempt to fill up the gaps you raised: It looked to me like Secretary dude eventually took on a writing career - he had a knack for story telling and had seemingly written out an entire story for Sa Wol, outlining her life circumstances that led to her not having been properly registered. Remember he told her she had to study? So that's what they did. And then with the likely monies that could employ the right lawyers to get it processed for you - tadah! Illegal immigrant becomes legal. Believable in SK cos I'm sure many NK defectors come over with no papers too. I'm just wondering how they got on a plane and travelled to Jeju still. Private jet? Even then? Is that like taking a private car? My take on this is that it was just a pop-up and then they explained that she had gone to Milan - I shall guess that it was to go to design school. Hahah... so for as long as she needs before she comes back with a new line. In the mean time, her special edition clothes prolly get released slowly. Don't need many pieces each time ya? I always thought that it was Cheon Myeong who would seek them out. If she did not appear to them, there was no way for them to find her. All they knew was that if Yeon Woo did not return to the past to rectify the sins of the Kang family, the cycle would be destined to be repeated. That's why she had to return. So this is where my own story logic comes in. I think she had no choice but to return - she was dragged into the future by Cheon Myeong as a "gift" to Yeon Woo's ancestor for having been kind to Cheon Myeong. Yeon Woo risked injustice and she wanted to repay/bless the family. The repayment was essentially to save a lifelong otherwise ill-fated connection with the Kang family through marriage in Joseon, and then through potential business in new Joseon when Midam was first contacted to do a business tie up with them. Cheon Myeong pulling her into the future was for her to see how things continue to be messy for the Kang family. She was never meant to have a choice to remain in new Joseon anyway, and there is no future version of herself in new Joseon. I reckon if she had simply died as intended in Joseon, she would have appeared in new Joseon as a reincarnated version and the cycle would still have repeated. Cheon Myeong just jigged time that way. So she pops into the future from the pool, but disappears back into the past through a literal disintegration at molecular level because time was simply up. Sa Wol on the other hand of her own accord got pulled into the present because of her own curiosity. She's the only character who got erased in the past cos she moved timelines into the present. There is no trace or memory of her in Joseon after Yeon Woo returns. Yeon Woo returns to Joseon and is given that one opportunity to prevent an unjust death for Taeha. It doesn't prevent his death - his heart was probably already weakened further by the previous rounds of poisoning - but at least it's no longer murder and she's able to prevent her own unjust death too in a sense. So at least that cycle is cut in the past before it gets to repeat in the future. Then she sees Joseon Taeha die a natural death. Assuming time more or less flowed similarly in Joseon and new Joseon as parallel worlds, then she's back in history for about a year. While she never lived as man and wife with Joseon Taeha in that they did not consummate the marriage - he was a gentleman to not want to force himself on her given the circumstances of the wedding - legally they remained married. When he passed on, she also mourned for him as his legal wife. They could not have been married for more than a few months, assuming whatsisname was in prison for a certain length of time awaiting his death sentence, then escapes and starts looking for her to kill her. The content of Yeon Woo's mum's diary that we see in the future ended at her marriage. The future understanding of the story is that that was it. Child marries, no longer part of parent's original household. The end. The story changed in the future because Yeon Woo did not "die" as she was meant to in the past, having been plucked out of the past by Cheon Myeong to visit the present. That present was affected by an amended past where Yeon Woo's parents began to agonise over a death that they had doubts over (no body found in the well, not characteristic of her, etc.) and that brought a new and different tragedy that was not to have happened otherwise. So I assume, if Cheon Myeong had not plucked her out of time, she would have died, her body would have been found, and that would have been the end of her story as it was meant to be. But that did not happen because of the temporary disruption of time. This time however, when she goes back, some sins are "made right", and she does eventually die a natural death too. Slips off a cliff, alas. And parents have to accept that. Their daughter did after all choose to remain with the man she married, up to his death, and then eventually died also as his wife. Now, when Joseon Taeha said at his death that he wanted to be reborn her husband (that's what he said, right?), I think at that point she knew that was who new Joseon Taeha was. I think when she eventually died in Joseon, she probably had the same desire to see him in the future/present, so my take is that her reappearance in modern day in a nice dry Hanbok was that she is actually the modern day reincarnation of Yeon Woo, a modern day Yeon Woo (someone had asked earlier how come there was no new Joseon Yeon Woo, right? I forget who asked.) whose past life memories had come to her and she literally walked back to find Taeha waiting for her. Otherwise nothing makes sense!!!

@mademoiselle I’m finally watching ep 19 and popped in here cos I was wondering too if anyone like me was starting to feel the pacing is getting too slow. I’m starting to get bored - there’s little progression per episode and the characters seem to be acting uncharacteristically stupid now. Baek Ryeon is stupid for responding to the text. Sang Hyuk is being stupid for thinking Baek Ryeon could actually be an angel (can’t he tell? He’s melancholic but surely not dumb in being able to tell if a creature is human or not, right?). And Dong Gu has gone rogue stupid? Why does he suddenly want to get married? Isn’t there some kind of fundamental understanding he’s got about what can or cannot happen between human and faerie? Especially since they’ve got their wings clipped cos of Sang Hyuk. It’s like the story has suddenly gone stupid. The universe’s logic seems off. So it would seem Sang Hyuk has liked Baek Ryeon before his arrow got accidentally misdirected to himself? How is it that he could not recognise her as the reincarnation of the palace maid each time? And this short term effect of cupid’s arrow is not the same for Sang Hyuk? Also, for having skull fracture surgery, her hair is very much intact. That’s just so unbelievable. Ah wells. K-drama-(il)logic…

She looks like she could be Morticia in that dress…

True for me too. And The Matchmakers. That one for sure was an absolute disappointment. Was only there for Rowoon... hahaha... gua gua guaaaaaa....

Confusing much indeed. Hahaha... They really lack logic, but I reckon it's cos it's not well researched or not well understood, or could well be both! But they do do a bit better within their own myth/folklore. At least so far, I think DWY and Cupid seems to be logical so far. Park's though... hmmm...

Yeah, like, I know why the god would have that sort of thinking or is presented in that manner. But I would've assumed this story would have been based on Christian theology since Madam Ju's being a devout Catholic seemed (in my opinion anyway) to be a key characteristic in this story. So to me, it would have been more integrous to the plot if the same logic is kept. She did say that while she gave the powers to Gu Won, she cannot take it away - this to me again did not make sense you see, not unless she is not a god based on Christian theology and therefore not omnipotent. I would rather that while she might say that she had given him the powers, but she will not change the circumstances for him because there are consequences to decisions made, then it would be that because they both were selfless for each other, then even as a Demon, he has redeemed himself. (Again, if in keeping with Christian theology, I would imagine that if fallen angels [demons] could exercise freewill to go against God, then it would be logical to me that they can again exercise that same will to redeem themselves.) What remains a little annoying to me story-wise, is that it still seems unclear why the powers transferred to Do Hee in the first place. And it wasn't even a full transfer. What was it about that accident that led to that "mess up"? That's the thing about Korean fantasy stories, especially when it is based on logic not of their own culture (eg Korean shamanism or folklore). They don't do it very well and there are always bits of illogic that creep in, or they cannot sustain their own universe and it falls apart. That's always disappointing because they generally start well but end badly or unsatisfactorily at best. But I do so love fantasy as a genre... even then, logic must prevail in every universe you set up.

@mademoiselle ah… very disappointing. Waste of Rowoon’s talent. I’ve been rewatching DWY too. Gimme my Shinyu!

@mademoiselle So it’s been revealed in the ep11 shorts - Lee Sangyi is in evil dad’s pocket. But it does look like except for clueless sister, everyone knows how evil he can be. Son’s second phone was a copy of dad’s burner phone. That’s why he’d been seeing the texts and going to the locker as well. So has he died in the suicide attack of Do Hee? Looks like in each of them choosing the other, Gu Won wins his challenge against the lady god - she’s clearly not an omnipotent or omniscient god. Now the question that remains is how much of his humanity does Gu Won retain, and can a human really live with a demon. If you ask me, Madam Ju’s son is the real devil. So the next episode won’t air this weekend?

@mademoiselleAs expected, what a lousy cop out ending. I was fast forwarding through most of it. Meh.

So, this Cupid’s arrow that’s supposed to have a short term effect certainly has a 500 year effect on him…

The clocks stopped the moment he consummated with Dohee. I guess that fully completed his humanity - his love for a human. Prolly by that same logic, Sang Hyuk in My Man is Cupid cannot be with a human. It will make him human too. I reckon the only reason why Gu Won is dying now (though we don’t know how soon it will be) is cos he is in reality 200 years old.

I’m only caught up cos it’s Christmas weekend and I’m being lazy in bed… 😅

For sure Sang Hyuk was the police officer that reopened the case in 1993 as in Daesik’s recount. But Sang Huyk’s “refreshed” human persona now makes him younger than the when the case surfaced 30 years ago, so something must’ve made Sang Hyuk tell Daesik his actual identity. Yes, I’m also curious to know how he will explain who Sang Hyuk is to the rest of the investigation team. Of all the time-bending fantasy-and-murder dramas we are all concurrently watching now, I actually think this one has the most interesting and well put together narrative. I hope it doesn’t disappoint.

Story telling is still so messy. Like @mademoiselle, I have questions too. Why does grandad suddenly despise Yeon Woo so much? He liked her well enough when she snagged the deal with Midam. What’s with the sudden animosity? What’s with the present changing the past either? How is this time loop affecting the past? Why does mother’s diary suddenly continue to be filled up? I don’t see how Yeon Woo has done anything materially different in present day that has a backward effect on time. Why does jealous co-worker suddenly want to go all good to resign from her job? Even coming clean with Yeon Woo that she messed up the fashion show. That came out of nowhere. Is this just bad editing? There seems to be a lot of logic leaps for the viewer. It’s very frustrating but I do want to know if her solution is to return to Joseon (can she even do that?) or remain in present day to fix modern Tae Ha’s future?