mademoiselle Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) Episode 10 Preview Finally, Min Hyuk finds out Jin Gyeom is his son. And the show finally addresses the time stopping incident again and this time confirms Jin Gyeom can stop time. We and he still don't know how it works. To be honest episode 8 felt like a filler episode and things didn't really move much in episode 9 either. Nothing was clarified in the last 2 episodes. Then there's the Jin Gyeom—Tae Yi relationship. It's getting weirder, and concerning. This episode the English subs tells me Omma Tae Yi is not from the same dimension of this Tae Yi, so is that mean it will be ok that the main leads are paired as OTP? I don't think the show needs a loveline and I don't think they intended to anyway, so I'd appreciate they stop toying with this idea by giving viewers questionable intimate scenes. Now I'm curious. Will Min Hyuk tell Jin Gyeom; "I am your father"? Edited September 26, 2020 by mademoisellesia 3 Link to comment
bluepebbles Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, mademoisellesia said: Then there's the Jin Gyeom—Tae Yi relationship. It's getting weirder. and concerning. This episode the English subs tells me Omma Tae Yi is not from the same dimension of this Tae Yi, so is that mean it will be ok that the main leads are paired as OTP? I don't think the show needs a loveline and I don't think they intended to anyway, so I'd appreciate they stop toying with this idea by giving viewers questionable intimate scenes. I initially got excited about two things this show has offered from the first two episodes : Sci-fi Mother and Son relationship. And then I got confused with how the writer (or director) interpreted and executed the scenes between Tae Yi and Jin Gyeom. I am waiting for the next episodes on how it will fare. For now my reservations are getting larger. 2 1 Link to comment
40somethingahjumma Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) I don't know if I'm reading more into this than is warranted but I think it's suggestive that every time Jin-gyeom and Prof Tae-yi are drawn that much closer, something happens that disrupts their ability to cross the line. Whether it's Do-yeon showing up in the family home. Or whether it's Min-hyuk appearing on the scene. Perhaps the universe is saying something. Anyway, it's something to chew over. Honestly I am not watching this show because of romance much less any kind of possible romance between Jin-gyeom and Prof Tae-yi. I am still of the opinion that the show won't go there because all their encounters are preceded by JG's memories of mother. So his fascination as far as I can see with 2020 Tae-yi has to do with Mummy baggage. However, it's a little harder to know where Prof Tae-yi stands... with all her emotional outbursts and teasing... even with her protests. I'm not excited for this familial dynamic to turn into something else. I am happiest when the show is about the time travel/conspiracy to kill Tae-yi etc. It has become more apparent that there is a concerted effort from a range of vested interests to stop Tae-yi and Jin-gyeom from ending time travel. Ahjussi team leader is obviously a hostile -- it suits him (in all probability) to keep time travel going. I had a bit of chuckle when Jin-gyeom had his Matrix moment, stopping time, bullets and doing a disappearing act. He's like Neo, the chosen one who will disrupt the good thing that everyone has going. Ms O has certainly been a busy but naughty girl. Not only has she been telling untruths to Hot Dad Min-hyuk but I get a feeling from what transpired that she might have had a hand in Ahjumma Tae-yi's death. The drone was there on the night so it's not out of the question. My favourite moment was MIn-hyuk's realisation his beloved Tae-yi had passed away some time ago and that their son survived her. It was a deeply moving sequence when at the columbarium he fell on his knees apologizing... first for misplaced anger against his Tae-yi... the other, in all likelihood for not being there for her and their son. I don't need romance in this show. Not even between Jin-gyeom and Do-yeon. What I'm more anxious to see is a family reunion of sorts. I'm so eager that I'm even willing to put up with cheesy Star Wars references. "You killed my mother." "No, I am your father." Edited September 26, 2020 by 40somethingahjumma 3 Currently Watching: Queen of Tears, In Blossom "Love is not an affectionate feeling but a steady wish for the loved person's good as far as it can be obtained." -- CS Lewis. Link to comment
bluepebbles Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 @40somethingahjumma we're rooting for Daddeh Minyuk's happiness. He deserves it ! 2 1 Link to comment
40somethingahjumma Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, bluepebbles said: @40somethingahjumma we're rooting for Daddeh Minyuk's happiness. He deserves it ! Absolutely! 1 1 Currently Watching: Queen of Tears, In Blossom "Love is not an affectionate feeling but a steady wish for the loved person's good as far as it can be obtained." -- CS Lewis. Link to comment
mademoiselle Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Ep11 Preview Ohhhh, he's trying to save his wife! So this must mean he's from the future...? Link to comment
40somethingahjumma Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I thought Episode 10 provided necessary reassurances that this is more or less a family drama. I was reminded in these recent episodes that Jin-gyeom is a child of our time. I've been forgetting that he is actually a child out of the time. His alexithymia serves to remind us that there's a reason why he's not like everyone else. He was conceived in the future and born in past. In a real enough way... as we've been told... he was destined to be different because his role as foretold by the The Book of Prophecy was very specific. Do-yeon's speech and 2020 Tae-yi's response seems to validate my view that Jin-gyeom is bending over backwards to protect Tae-yi because of his mother. It really doesn't seem to be romance but guilt and grief motivating him. He is making up for lost time. My feeling is that there's a war looming in the horizon between the Jin-gyeom friendlies and those who want to keep time travel going indefinitely. Maybe the war has already started. There's a lot at stake It disturbs me too that time travel gives the gatekeepers far too much power. That's very worrying. The fact that people are willing to kill even those they care about to have access to that kind of ability is proof of the stance Future Tae-yi in trying to stop. We seem to looking at a cult here. It is tragic that Ahjussi cop got himself embroiled with this. Even if you can't corrupt everyone with money... as we see in Stranger 2... everybody has their price, so it seems. I noticed too that it was so much easier for Jin-gyeom to turn his anger against Min-hyuk who is a relative stranger to him, (watched how he pummelled him) whose intentions are murky than it was to turn to Ahjussi Cop and demand an explanation about Lee Se-hoon and his mother. He even chucked the dash cam video for him. Yup... it's all about family in this. And yeah, poor Min-hyuk. I'm sure he has a ton of regrets. He loss was other people's gain. 2 Currently Watching: Queen of Tears, In Blossom "Love is not an affectionate feeling but a steady wish for the loved person's good as far as it can be obtained." -- CS Lewis. Link to comment
mademoiselle Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Now that Ahjussi is confirmed to be the killer (Damn you Show! ) who works for Teacher, the only suspect left is this guy. I meant to rat him out yesterday but got too busy watching other new dramas. ... and soon enough the newest episode has the camera zoom up to his face upclose hinting something fishy about him. Alice's HQ is in 2050 and he insisted of building an Alice in 2020 for good reason: that he could be close-by giving out orders to his Minions. It had to be him, there's no one else other than Seok Oh Won who could be the Big Boss. And it'd also explain the Drone, if it was not controlled by Ms. Oh. Ms Oh has her own agenda, and that's Min Hyuk but I never really wanted to believe she was responsible for Tae Yi's death. I still don't think she is. I actually appreciated Min Hyuk chose not to tell Jin Gyeom even though I had wanted to see it. Jin Gyeom's father is Ahjussi and this episode belongs to them. I'm sad about the development, yet I appreciate the twist and conflict it instilled into Jin Gyeom. He's come a long way — Tae Yi's death triggers his change and after years and years of social interactions, Jin Gyeom has finally become more human. Ahjussi may have kept him close to keep an eye on him, but I do not doubt that he never loved Jin Gyeom. And this entanglement makes the stake higher and interesting. Having said that, it is disappointing actor Choi Won Young is not being utilised better in the show. 3 Link to comment
gilaswan Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I’ve been meaning to contribute to the ongoing discussion for a few weeks now - it just never happened (because everything else did - life. hahaha...) Some very many disparate thoughts, but first off — I love sci-fi, especially anything that has to do with time travel and the multiverse. In fact, I’ve been binge watching Star Trek: Voyager episodes (just because•nostalgia•Star Trek), and my favourite episodes all have to do with space-time fluctuations and anomalies. So, yay Alice for that. And this also seems to be the season for such shows in Kdramaland - Alice, Train, King Eternal Monarch. So far, King Eternal Monarch dealt with it very badly; Train did a good job but the ending was somewhat unsatisfactory for me. So are there high hopes for Alice — Yes. Because Joo Won too. But I have to say, now that we’re running towards the finishing line, I’m admittedly starting to fall asleep each time I start on a new episode. It’s getting draggy. I get it - there are murders that seem unsolvable, but I’m not seeing any actual detective work going on; there are strange people popping up which can’t seem to be tracked - but no one in the police force seems to have caught on to who they are yet and no one’s bothered to do a fingerprint ID yet; people are getting shot at with funny looking bullets being uncovered, but that doesn’t yet seem one bit surprising or suspicious to anyone but Jingyeom. Is he the only one in the force who’s working? And what of all the earlier time traveller crimes? No one’s trying to string them together for a solution yet? So nevermind that there are all these bizarre things supposedly happening but no real investigation is going on. The only thing they seem to be trying to put forward is a (very uncomfortable) suggestion that there could be a “thing” of romantic interest between Jingyeom and 2020Taeyi. No. Sorry, not buying it. 2020Taeyi - quit making googly eyes at Jingyeom. I know she’s not his mother as such - both she and 2050Taeyo were present in 2010 - but the DNA would be the same. But really, are 2050Taeyi and 2020Taeyi not the same person? While the show tries to present to us a multiverse perspective, thus avoiding time paradoxes, the story is essentially existing in the same world along the same spacetime continuum. Minhyuk and his colleagues are simply moving along the same continuum - the one that Jingyeom is in. While the mother who killed her past self might have moved across a parallel universe, I’m not so sure if any other characters have. It could well be possible then that all the Taeyis are one and the same person - 2020Taeyi is the original Taeyi who discovered time travel sans Jingyeom. She travels into the future, and influences the set up of Alice perhaps. Her 2050self eventually falls in love with Minhyuk and continues to work with Alice, but someone in that future also knows of the disasters and sends back the book of prophecy to 1992LittleTaeyi’s father, setting in motion a different history for 2020Taehyi... Who knows? Maybe a future older Taeyi is “the Teacher” who’s trying to stop herself from stopping herself... Time paradoxes be damned. 2 2 1 Link to comment
gilaswan Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 "...the confusing plot line of 'Alice' which continues to push for a romance between a man (Jin-gyeom) and a woman (Tae-yi)... has received negative reviews...many are unable to accept this forced relationship..." https://meaww.com/alice-episode-11-12-will-not-air-joo-won-show-return-chuseok-holiday-sbs 2 1 Link to comment
mademoiselle Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) I haven't watched the latest episode, but I peek at episode 13 preview. OMG... what am I seeing here?! Interesting... Edited October 11, 2020 by mademoisellesia 1 Link to comment
mademoiselle Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) This week's episode is twist after another twist. Love it. I wish they did not reveal bad Jin Gyeom in the ending scene and preview. I'm totally up for the surprise although I won't be too surprised after learning Ahjussi is a time traveller himself and Seok Oh Won is the Teacher from another parallel universe. It's a dead give away I guess that Choi Won Young is too good to be just playing a good character when he is so versatile. I do like the idea that the actors all get to play two different roles in Alice. Makes it more fun as well. The bit I didn't like is the show wasted 2 episodes trying to give us a possibility of a romance between Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi. Maybe it was intentional to direct us and make us misunderstand but I find that development unbeneficial to the plot. People are dying and they spent their time karaoke-ing rather than trying to figure out how to stop time travelling, which is their destiny. Jin Gyeom, having knowing he has some power to time travelling, seems unfazed or not even curious about this fact annoys me. That said, I bawled my eyes out for ahjussi. So ok, ahjussi didn't kill his mother. Ahjussi maybe in on the wrong-doings but he's got a good heart. It hurts but it also really touched my heart that Jin Gyeom calls him Aboji. Now that leaves Min Hyuk, which I feel sorry because even if later on Jin Gyeom finds out he is the biological father, it's not going to have the same effect as with ahjussi. I'm also not happy that Min Hyuk's screen time has been reduced to almost nothing. The suspense Alice once had definitely died down a lot. I'm still into it because there's still seem to be a lot of clarification required. Alice's the time-travelling is not what I am familiar with from other shows. Fascinated with time travelling but this topic is always confusing so I'm not even going to bother solving the mystery of how is it in 2050 ahjussi is still alive and look so young? But I'll put it out there for others to ponder :p Edited October 11, 2020 by mademoisellesia 1 1 1 Link to comment
bluepebbles Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 EPISODE 11 KNETS COMMENTS source "What misunderstanding?" Kim Heeseon, who doesn't trust that Kwak Siyang is helping Joo Won! 1. [+76][-1] Our true lover Minhyuk-ie ㅠㅜ So he loves his son too after finding out about himㅠㅜ Crazy.. His brother is the teacherㅠ 2. [+73][-0] What's up with Minhyuk's suit fitㅠㅠㅠㅠ These two suit each other so well 3. [+64][-1] Objectively speaking Minhyuk's screen time is too little..ㅠㅠ He's such a charming character 4. [+56][-1] Ah Minhyuk trying to help his real family was admirable but also really sad..ㅠㅠ Minhyuk's the best 5. [+47][-1] I feel bad for Yoo Minhyuk,,,, He's Jingyeom's dad ㅜㅠㅜㅜㅠㅜ [Shocking] The goosebumps-inducing identity of Park Insoo's murderer, Kim Kyungnam! 1. [+134][-4] However the fact that Ki Cheolam is someone else's subordinate is seriously goosebumps-inducing 2. [+124][-3] People who pretend to be nice and gentle are the ones to stab you in the back, it’s scary 3. [+99][-1] So it's Seok Owon.. the teacher of the teacher!!!!! 4. [+94][-3] Wow.... a huge plot twist ... at this point, I thought Minhyuk's brother was the teacher but the real teacher was someone else... 5. [+89][-1] I thought 'Ah I knew this was the teacher~' but by the end I was thinking surely they're not going back to the person first suspected to be the teacher,,,wow,,, [Ending Twist] Joo Won, at risk of dying at the hands of Choi Wonyoung's gun? 1. [+102][-1] I think there's no twist because the present Seok Owon was kidnapped and the teacher Seok Owon is a time traveller 2. [+95][-2] The present Seok Owon died when he was kidnapped so maybe the Seok Owon from the future is the teacher.. 3. [+75][-1] But first of all, it's a fact that Jingyeom won't die at this moment. It means we don't have to worry. To say it in a few words, Alice is super fun 4. [+55][-1] Is Seok Owon's future self the teacher..... or did he act like a helper all this time to gain others' trust..... anyway now that they know who the teacher is they just have to stop him..... the situation's not easy 5. [+48][-3] Today was seriously amazing!!! Honestly at first I thought the teacher wasn't Seok Owon and was Ki Cheolam, and when they said Ki Cheolam was the teacher I was like 'ah~~ of course' but then the twist of all twists is that Seok Owon is the teacher;; *shivers* But seriously the Seok Owon now seems like that he came from the future... I'm looking forward to how the remaining 5 episodes will end up!!! 2 Link to comment
1. [+76][-1] Our true lover Minhyuk-ie ㅠㅜ So he loves his son too after finding out about himㅠㅜ Crazy.. His brother is the teacherㅠ 2. [+73][-0] What's up with Minhyuk's suit fitㅠㅠㅠㅠ These two suit each other so well 3. [+64][-1] Objectively speaking Minhyuk's screen time is too little..ㅠㅠ He's such a charming character 4. [+56][-1] Ah Minhyuk trying to help his real family was admirable but also really sad..ㅠㅠ Minhyuk's the best 5. [+47][-1] I feel bad for Yoo Minhyuk,,,, He's Jingyeom's dad ㅜㅠㅜㅜㅠㅜ [Shocking] The goosebumps-inducing identity of Park Insoo's murderer, Kim Kyungnam! 1. [+134][-4] However the fact that Ki Cheolam is someone else's subordinate is seriously goosebumps-inducing 2. [+124][-3] People who pretend to be nice and gentle are the ones to stab you in the back, it’s scary 3. [+99][-1] So it's Seok Owon.. the teacher of the teacher!!!!! 4. [+94][-3] Wow.... a huge plot twist ... at this point, I thought Minhyuk's brother was the teacher but the real teacher was someone else... 5. [+89][-1] I thought 'Ah I knew this was the teacher~' but by the end I was thinking surely they're not going back to the person first suspected to be the teacher,,,wow,,, [Ending Twist] Joo Won, at risk of dying at the hands of Choi Wonyoung's gun? 1. [+102][-1] I think there's no twist because the present Seok Owon was kidnapped and the teacher Seok Owon is a time traveller 2. [+95][-2] The present Seok Owon died when he was kidnapped so maybe the Seok Owon from the future is the teacher.. 3. [+75][-1] But first of all, it's a fact that Jingyeom won't die at this moment. It means we don't have to worry. To say it in a few words, Alice is super fun 4. [+55][-1] Is Seok Owon's future self the teacher..... or did he act like a helper all this time to gain others' trust..... anyway now that they know who the teacher is they just have to stop him..... the situation's not easy 5. [+48][-3] Today was seriously amazing!!! Honestly at first I thought the teacher wasn't Seok Owon and was Ki Cheolam, and when they said Ki Cheolam was the teacher I was like 'ah~~ of course' but then the twist of all twists is that Seok Owon is the teacher;; *shivers* But seriously the Seok Owon now seems like that he came from the future... I'm looking forward to how the remaining 5 episodes will end up!!!
40somethingahjumma Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Hoho... that was nasty... what a nasty twist. Not only is Mum's death a fixed moment in time but if no else can kill her... Jin-gyeom will because 2 Jin-gyeoms cannot co-exist in a paradox. Yikes! Not. Enough. Min-hyuk. Sob. That's it... that's all I have to say. For now. 3 Currently Watching: Queen of Tears, In Blossom "Love is not an affectionate feeling but a steady wish for the loved person's good as far as it can be obtained." -- CS Lewis. Link to comment
mademoiselle Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) BTS Episode 13 💬 confusing... lol Edited October 17, 2020 by mademoiselle 1 1 Link to comment
40somethingahjumma Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 You know, this show could have been so great... really great. Then they gave us the Jin-gyeom - Tae-yi melodrama. On some level, it's understandable why the relationship had to be explored but the time spent on it was unnecessary IMO. In all likelihood he would be confused by a doppelganger of Mum initially but once he got his head around the time travel stuff, it shouldn't have been drawn out. It's worth saying again for the nth time that the show doesn't really make the best use of the ensemble cast. Much of the focus is on Jin-gyeom and Tae-yi which means that the other characters don't get much of a look in. And honestly, the show is poorer for it. Episode 14 was a huge improvement over the last few and I like it best when the show does its mind-bending worst in time honoured sci-fi storytelling. ;) I understand that the show wants to show the dysfunctionality caused by time travel. It's one almighty mess but I get it. Time travel has to come to an end. It's gone beyond ridiculous. I cried buckets both times watching Min-hyuk listening to Tae-yi's audio message from the past. In part it undoubtedly has to do with my affection and sympathy for Min-hyuk who has been relegated to outsider status for too long and it really shouldn't have taken this long for her message to have gotten to him. This leads me to a rant about the way the drama used O Si-young who has turned out to be little more than an obstructionist. A jealous one at that. At the start there were hints as to why she joined the Alice project and crumbs sprinkled here and there regarding her friendship with Tae-yi but the show never did anything much with that. I would have loved to have seen more about the period pre-dating the Alice project... the idealism, the camaraderie amongst the early adopters. There was a lot of telling but not much showing in that regard. In fact, the short scene between Min-hyuk and Tae-yi was so good (they weren't even in the same room)... so superior to anything between 2020 Tae-yi and Jin-gyeom... that I have to wonder why they didn't show more interaction between those two, in terms of how they met or how they became an item. Apart from being one of the saner people in the drama, Min-hyuk is probably the most well-rounded character even having so few scenes in the past few episodes. I've loved his journey from when we first saw him as a stiff-upper lip trouble-shooting type to a man who's just discovered that he's a father and trying to be one to an adult son who is deeply suspicious of him. And he's wracked with guilt for not having been there for his son and his mother. Despite that aloof facade there beats the heart of a caring sensible man. I hope that even after the big reset, we will catch a glimpse of him in happier moments. The show borrows a tad from Fringe and in all likelihood it will end in similar fashion. It is assumed that separate timelines exist. Certain outcomes remain the same although how these outcomes are achieved depend on how the sequence of events play out. It's a devilish way to give audiences a schizophrenic psychopathic Jin-gyeom to merge the minds of the different selves. The mysterious raincoat guy seems to be JG although knowing this show, let's not be too surprised if it turns out to be someone else. 4 Currently Watching: Queen of Tears, In Blossom "Love is not an affectionate feeling but a steady wish for the loved person's good as far as it can be obtained." -- CS Lewis. Link to comment
mademoiselle Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Everybody seems to have a chance to play the villain "Teacher". However twist after another twist showed that neither are the Teacher. Therefore what are the chances that parallel universe Min Hyuk is the Teacher, if not Jin Gyeom? Another potential candidate could be the policeman who helps Jin Gyeom, but then it feels there's less impact if he is the one. 3 Link to comment
gilaswan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Who's still following the show? I have to say, any kind of story based on time travel and parallel worlds have to be very carefully crafted. The logic of time travel in itself is already so difficult to decipher. Throw in the concept and different theories of the multiverse - it gets even more complex. If the logic isn't followed through carefully, everything can unravel into a mess that becomes difficult and frustrating to follow. I feel like the writers of Alice have gotten us to this point. Where exactly are we being tangled at now? In my own attempt to make sense of what's going on, especially now that we've finally seen the last page of the book, I reckon this is what it is. Or could be: Every multiverse is an exact replica of the world we are in - the same people, same events, same stimuli. Everything is the same. Therefore if Taeyi in universe A would discover time travel, Taeyi in universe B would also do the same. If Minhyuk in universe A fell in love with Taeyi, Minhyuk in universe B would also do the same. This would explain what Minhyuk said about the multiple selves and their memories attempting to merge into a single person after they have met their other selves from different dimensions. What follows then is the break in the harmonies of the multiverses, causing a temporal collapse - which is what the multiple Taeyis are trying to resolve. This "break" occurred first when Taeyi's mother - a woman of the future - broke the temporal logic of time sequencing and went back to the past and married there. A person who should not have existed in the past has now done so, lived and died before she was actually meant to be born. That's the first time fissure in this story. So Taeyi 2050 (who was probably then born in 2020) is now born in 1986 in one particular universe. The second fissure is when Taeyi 2050 of Universe X comes to probably another universe - let's call it "Y" - and encounters herself, but in 1992 instead. So she should not have encountered herself at all, but she did. Thus begins an attempt to collapse all memories into a single being because they met, but Taeyi 2050X has memories Taeyi1992Y has not even lived through yet. This must create tension. Maybe it contributed to the apparent memory losses that suddenly come together when Taeyi2020Y is now the adult in the form ready to discover time travel. The third fissure is when Jingyeom, a baby conceived in the future is birthed in the past. This must be the ultimate illogic in the temporal sequencing of life and therefore becomes key in the book of prophecy which must have been written by someone in the future who saw this - now, who is this? The story so far points to Taeyi1986Y's mother who found the book and went into the past with it. Why she did, no one by Ep 14 supposedly knows. But possibly Taeyi 2050X's mother might have known about. But with so many criss-crosses and further travels - I suggest that Taeyi 2010 who got stabbed is now from Universe Z - the multiverse is really experiencing some kind of temporal collapse. Nevermind the other versions of those people including the Director and all his evil selves against his good self that got killed in X and Z (and maybe Y too, but who cares now). Point is, Taeyi in all her converging selves now knows that the only way to prevent this temporal collapse is to reset everything. But resetting means "deleting" temporal illogic, and that would mean eliminating Jingyeom. But would it really be that way? He would simply have been born in 2050 at the right time. But if the logic of time and history prevail, then once this is reset, it will happen all over again... Maybe that's why Taeyi in all her older self iterations (that did not move through a negative time existence, i.e. conceived and born in the past to a person of the future) believe that resetting is pointless. And maybe, just maybe, the logic in all of this is that Taeyi 2020X must be the one to break the cycle. Perhaps she will be the only person who will disappear from every timeline out there. My head hurts. Edited October 20, 2020 by gilaswan 1 2 Link to comment
-StrongTower- Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 How's the drama? Decided to drop it on ep 10 (?) but now am thinking of watching it again. Will be reading the spoilers and jump to the last eps maybe 2 1 In the strong Tower, I take refuge. ----------------------------------- So far my top 2020 K-Dramas are 1. Hospital Playlist 2. Romantic Doctor Teacher Kim Season Two 3. CLOY 4. IONTBO Link to comment
40somethingahjumma Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) @gilaswan I am one of those still watching. Obstinately needing to get to the bottom of things. My understanding of fictional parallel universes and alternate timelines might be different from yours. Perhaps it's just the definition that I am struggling with because I have no problems with your theories. In so far as I've been exposed to the concept, my impression has always been that parallel universes have similarities but also key differences. And it's the differences that makes the whole comparison fascinating. I have a number of issues with the way the show makes its claims to playing out this entire psychodrama on the notion of parallel universes or alternate timeline. To me Train did a better job with this by focusing on two alternate universes and clearly (as much as it is possible to) delineating the reasons why the two universes were different. Just by highlighting certain pivotal moments, the audience is given some insight into the diverging trajectories for various characters. Whether or not the viewer buys it, there is at least some explanation offered. With Alice I don't feel I'm getting that kind of clarity. Which is why I am not entirely convinced we are dealing with parallel universes at all or exclusively. So far what I understand is the notion that when someone travels back to the past, they create an alternate timeline which branches off from the original timeline which we call B. That's what Seok O-won stated in one of the early episodes. However, it should mean that if Tae-yi went back to 1992 and lived there she created an alternate timeline separate from the line she came from. In that original timeline A, there should be no Tae-yi or Park Jin-gyeom between 1992-2020. However, what's even more confusing is that the Alice mob seem to have set up shop in one of those two timelines A or B. If Alice HQ is in the original timeline where time travel was first discovered, how do they keep crossing over to timeline B where all the action is? The wormhole that they're using has to be both a time travelling and dimensional hopping vehicle. In fact, there shouldn't be universes X, Y or Z where there are Park Jin-gyeoms or Mother Tae-yi. He shouldn't exist in those places during that time period. In fact, he shouldn't have doppelgangers. He's supposed to be the "anomaly". Unless of course they're saying that by having Park Jin-gyeom timelines A and B, she magically changed all other universes. But so far there's nothing to indicate that. How do these dimensional reverberations occur? This is where the confusion lies for me. What's even more confusing is the appearance of Seok O-won in these different "pasts" that both Tae-yi and Jin-gyeom inadvertently findi themselves in when JG does his time travel magic. At times he's pro-time travelling and at other times he's anti. When he's pro-time travelling, is it the same villainous SOW time hopping? Or what? And then there's the matter of all the different Tae-yis... right from the girl to uni student to Professor to time travel discoverer. to mother. They all existed on the same timeline B. It seems to me that the show is doing a non-linear, non-chronological telling of her life story. In all likelihood, she's the same person. The show called it a paradox so it says to me that they are all part of timeline B that Taeyi from timeline A created by her presence. My biggest beef with the show is that they took a long time to get to this point and we're none the wiser. How are they going to iron out all these inconsistencies? The show is ambitious in its scope which is fine but the way the story has been paced and unfolded, it feels like they're leaving a lot to the very last minute. Edited October 21, 2020 by 40somethingahjumma 2 1 Currently Watching: Queen of Tears, In Blossom "Love is not an affectionate feeling but a steady wish for the loved person's good as far as it can be obtained." -- CS Lewis. Link to comment
abs-oluteM Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I saw this spoiler article on Naver Source Translated with papago Spoiler There are only two episodes left until the end of "Alice." The ending of the 14th episode of "Alice" was a shock. Yoon Tae-yi (played by Kim Hee-sun), who traveled through time in 2010, analyzed the DNA of an unidentified black hooded man suspected of strangling him and killing Park Sun-young (played by Kim Hee-sun) in 2010. Unfortunately, Park Jin-gyeom's DNA matched that of Joo Won. Yoon Tae-yi speculated that Park Jin-gyeom on a different level was the real culprit. However, Park Jin-kyum suddenly changed his mind and raised his sword to Yoon Tae-yi. Perhaps Park Jin-kyum is the culprit. Meanwhile, the production team of "Alice" is drawing keen attention by revealing the scene of Kim Do-yeon (Lee Da-in), a friend who stands by Park Jin-gyeom, following Yoon Tae-yi, ahead of the 15th episode . In the photo released, Park Jin-kyum is guarding his surroundings with a gun in the dark. I can feel the tension that is about to happen. The following photos revealed why Park Jin-kyum was so nervous. His only friend, Kim Do-yeon, is sitting on the floor with a scared look on her face. Kim Do-yeon's eyes are filled with tears of fear and fear. Park Jin-kyum appears to be trying to calm her down, clasping Kim Do-yeon's shoulders. The next picture shows you pointing a gun at someone. Earlier, Park Jin-kyum made a sudden change after traveling time in 2010 and threatened the people around him. Some change came to him. At the end of the 14th inning, he even tried to kill Yoon. Under these circumstances, Kim Do-yeon, who is in panic, and Park Jin-gyeom, who is next to her, are spotted, causing anxiety. The production team of "Alice" said, "In the 15th episode, which will be broadcast today (23rd), shocking events and twists will explode one after another. In the process, Kim Do-yeon is on the verge of death. Please wait and see if she can get out of the death crisis and what Park Jin-kyum will do in this situation. "I hope you will look forward to the actors who have shown their best performances until the end." 1 Mon-Tues: Nothing Uncovered Wed-Thurs: Blood Free - Fri-Sat: - Sat-Sun: Queen of Tears C-drama: - Link to comment
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