Dal Li and Gamjatang 달리와 감자탕 [2021]

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[Hanin]

3 hours ago, stroppyse said:

A bit of a kumbaya ending with MH acknowledging his dad's new wife as his "mother". I don't feel that she earned her absolution, nor does she seem to have changed all that much, but oh well.

It's true, it's kinda weird but because there aren't many scenes of them that's why we feel this way... But based on some of their scenes, do you remember the scene of Mohak lying in the coffin and how Reaction showed his stepmother and she was afraid something might happen to him and worried about him and didn't want him to die And I can say with this scene that she really cares about him in a different way, but because Mohak didn't accept that she is a mother and he keeps saying about her - the person who lives with my father - and this thing makes her sometimes frustrated because he didn't accept her to be his mother so we see them as if they insult each other, He didn't want to treat her like a family, and she wanted to insult him for being inferior and uneducated, and this is what caused a conflict in the first place, but after Mohak fell in love and told his father that he finally managed to understand him and warned him that if he continued to do construction work, he would not be able understood him anymore...

The thing about his falling in love was able to accept the love of his father for this person and certainly understood through his injury how she cared for him in the hospital and worried about him for this reason after the passage of time he accepted that he considers her a family and certainly  he or his action for his brother  made clear to her that He takes care of his brother and saves his life, while giving her a sign that Mohak really considers her son his brother...

As for the construction work, they woke up their conscience after the accident to Mohak, and this courageous man no longer allowed them to possess them.

 

the cinematography here > the camera focusing on the bloody documents. such a nice contrast between greed and love.

Here appears the difference between his brother's greed and Tae Jin, that his brother when he saw Mohak's blood and how he was about to die wanted to forget about development document and no longer allow this greed to possess him and left these documents and focused on MH's life and this is what wakes his conscience and He begins to think correctly and we see how his brother has become to accept these Jamgateng with pride, on the contrary, he was ashamed before because of his smell and how society looks at them

Here, on the contrary, Tae Jin was not moved by any feelings and left someone to die for money and these development documents. This shows through his behavior that he is a monster who feels nothing and has no hope of awakening his conscience.

 

3 hours ago, stroppyse said:

I didn't really understand WT and CH though. Neither their interaction or their budding attraction.  And, was there something special about WT's bed that I missed?

Haha because the title of the series is about Dali and Mohak that's why they don't focus much on other people's love lives... It made me laugh when WT said about CH is the female version of JIN Mohak and so it gave me memories of how Mohak uses a lot of excuses in order to see Dali after meeting Her in Holland and how he says all this for the sake of debt and money every time they meet, reminds me of her scene in a restaurant when she was crying and eating a lollipop and drinking beer and how she asked  Mohak why are you here? And also how she asked him why you are in the police station and he beats this man and it was clear that she wanted to hear the reason that he was there for her but he used false excuses and this is what Chuck did with WT she says a lot of excuses and WT keeps saying why exactly I'm buying You a meal but he chases after her haha reminds me of Mohak and Dali before she kissed Mohawk 

As for BED, it is clear that WT moved to another Hause after his promotion and that CH wanted to rent this place and the WT's bed still had not been moved or sold - its sth regarding the stages of moving housing and moving furniture -

3 hours ago, stroppyse said:

It's good that the Assemblyman is in prison for bribery and corruption. Disappointing to realize that TJ may not have actually done anything criminal in withholding help from DL's father, just morally corrupt and repugnant. I liked how DL told TJ off about being a cold-blooded monster that he could let her father die and then be by her side as if nothing had happened.

At first I was disappointed to see Tae Jin ending like this, then I thought again how in the beginning of the episode everyone kept saying about him as the man of the year, the most handsome, elegant, conscientious person, etc. and how now everyone treats him as a monster and as a disgusting person and Without humanity..Imagine how during the year he continues to listen to these things and receive insults daily for 24 hours - it is like an application as you condemn -

+ he has lowered his status and social rank and certainly will continue to receive insults from society and society will not accept him And so gradually he will go bankrupt more than before and he will be poor and  surely he keep see or hear about Dali , how Dali and her works in the exhibition and her relationship with Mohak continues to improve and this is what causes him to go crazy .. In short, he has lost everything and will gradually lose more...

In addition, it is logical that A lot happens in our lives regarding rights and laws and who still needs to amend and work on them

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[Hanin]

21 minutes ago, Hanin said:

Haha because the title of the series is about Dali and Mohak that's why they don't focus much on other people's love lives... It made me laugh when WT said about CH is the female version of JIN Mohak and so it gave me memories of how Mohak uses a lot of excuses in order to see Dali after meeting Her in Holland and how he says all this for the sake of debt and money every time they meet, reminds me of her scene in a restaurant when she was crying and eating a lollipop and drinking beer and how she asked  Mohak why are you here? And also how she asked him why you are in the police station and he beats this man and it was clear that she wanted to hear the reason that he was there for her but he used false excuses and this is what Chuck did with WT she says a lot of excuses and WT keeps saying why exactly I'm buying You a meal but he chases after her haha reminds me of Mohak and Dali before she kissed Mohawk 

 

 

for Reminder:

1-Ms Jin screw up bus he thought Dali was tricking on him and he gets upset that she didn't come somewhere in Holland and meet him

 

While he was worried about her and wanted to be reassured about her, but he was making false excuses 

he didn't say true 😂👇

 

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3.don't dare get hurt until you are done paying me back lmaooo

 

 4.He's denying his feelings for Dali and used money as an excuse of being with her, but love really hits him, he can't resist it and it shows. 

He told her he didn't wait for her all night while Mr. Jin 👇

 

5.car scene

 

And then he was able to tell about his feelings for her and no longer deny after she kissed him ㅋㅋㅋ

 

And the funny thing is yesterday, when I watched the last episode, how they brought back this pattern - in the meeting scene - we saw Mr. JIN again using false excuses to see Dali, but now Dali, after she understood him, is no longer deceived by this tactic and responds to him for all his excuses to end. Even she is ready for what is The excuse is related to the Watch 😂 so that in the end she make him say something that he wanted to say honestly 

[stroppyse]

3 hours ago, Hanin said:

Mohak didn't accept that she is a mother and he keeps saying about her

 

I think the fact that his father was carrying on with the new woman while his own mother was dying in the hospital and he was being used as child labor definitely created a lasting impression with him. And, I don't like the idea that being in love means it's okay to abandon your wife and child basically even while using your child as free child labor. Btw, it's implied that the new woman's son didn't do labor, but rather had the freedom to go to school, etc. even while MH was having to work hard and giving up his childhood and education. It's only after Dondon was successful that the stepbrother stepped in, wanting a piece of it.

 

I'm fine with MH making peace with his father and stepmother. It's better for MH to be at peace, however, I do feel this drama did a poor job of dealing with the issues that it raised, and then claiming that everything is fine because MH was the problem but is different now that he's changed his mind after falling in love.

 

There is basically 1 scene at the end where MH's father is talking to DL about why he wants DL to stay away from MH where the father finally acknowledges that he's been a terrible dad to MH, but wants MH to live a peaceful life. This feels like far too little too late, especially since the only result of this is for MH's dad to tell the woman who loves his son and whom his son loves to go away?

 

And, this realization causes MH's dad to tell the stepmom and stepson to take a hike for a year before getting back with them with MH's blessings, but it's played for comic laughs.

 

I'll repeat myself to say that I do not think that this drama handled the family dynamics all that well. Fortunately, it did handle the OTP romance well which is why I enjoyed watching it after all. Plus, I preferred the message of creating one's family with DL and WT being friends who are basically siblings without any weird romantic tensions between them, not to mention DL's father adopting her and also taking care of other orphans, even if he did not go to the lengths of adopting them.

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Found it on YouTube and loved this edit !!!

 

 

this is nice too

 

 

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22 hours ago, stroppyse said:

I'm fine with MH making peace with his father and stepmother. It's better for MH to be at peace, however, I do feel this drama did a poor job of dealing with the issues that it raised, and then claiming that everything is fine because MH was the problem but is different now that he's changed his mind after falling in love.

In fact, this is what the drama shows in the beginning, from the philosophy of Dali's father, who wanted to be a person on which everyone could rely on him and is very tolerant of himself... Even his friend or lawyer said at beginning about him if this person is great or an idiot? Because no one does this in the sense of giving a new opportunity to make them satisfied with themselves and to build their lives correctly,,, and this is what Mohak and Daly did, both of them with around them and even with their family ...

Indeed, the nature of human beings is very complex and there are things that can't  be explained because it stems from something more emotion than logic... All this drama wanted to make clear to us is that the nature of human beings when something is affected will make it be something, whether it is good or bad, and there are people who make a lot of mistakes, but not everyone wants to fix or take responsibility for it To start a new page.As we have seen with other characters about Jung Go, Ki Cheol, Cousin, and many others. In the beginning of the episode, how did Ki Chul focus on the status of the rich and prepare to do everything so that he isn't the son of the owner of the restaurant Jamjang, and in the end of the episode, he accepts to be the son of the owner of the restaurant and the same thing of his father's wife, and also how Jung Goo in the beginning was poisoned and depression spread around her and the way she treat Dali Because she didn't accept herself and hate herself, and in the end we saw how she accepted herself and gathered her courage to face anything, and we saw the cousin at first, he didn't show anything conscience and didn't accept responsibility, and in the end we saw that he entered prison and wanted to take responsibility and pay for it So that he can start a new life as his uncle wanted, and even we saw in the beginning of the episode how all the journalists follow after Tae Jin and treat him as if he is great and holy and in the end they reject him and mock him and follow him to insult him.Also about Mohak's father how he forgot about his origin and his place before he became rich because he said he didn't want to remember his suffering in his old days and because he was so busy fighting this suffering at the expense of forgetting about his son's status and his importance and how he had to take care of his son believing that when they became rich they would be able to rest Finally.And this incident woke him up and realized that he was in a place to be able to rest and forgot what he was supposed to do with his son and started giving his time to Mohak.

22 hours ago, stroppyse said:

There is basically 1 scene at the end where MH's father is talking to DL about why he wants DL to stay away from MH where the father finally acknowledges that he's been a terrible dad to MH, but wants MH to live a peaceful life. This feels like far too little too late, especially since the only result of this is for MH's dad to tell the woman who loves his son and whom his son loves to go away?

In fact, I can understand his father's fears and how he blames himself, this is why he said so to Dali at first, but when he calm dawn himself and knows that Ki Chul has a role in this and how he cannot confront Dali because he is ashamed and this stems from the words of the person who feels guilty and can't  look at Dali and confront her. Also about the different levels between Dali and Mohak and I feel this is a natural and realistic thing because this was the response of everyone and even Mohak when he thought that Dali didn't want to accept his feelings because he is not educated and also how the staff in the museum ridiculed the idea of the fact that There is a relationship between Dali and Mohak and how this woman said that Dali deserved someone better than Mohak and how Tae Jin said to Mohak that you don't deserve to have feelings for Dali, and also how Mohak's brother and stepmother said that Mohak lacks many things in comparison to Dali, and this gives the impression of his father, who understood how society thinks and react about their

relationship, in short, there are many people who look down on MH and mock him, and in the end Mohak’s father, who met Dali for the first time and shared his fears and opinion to her, but when he looked at how Dali didn't look at Mohawk like that and she really loved him! he Feel comfortable and rest assured that she really loved him and didn't oppose their relationship to each other in the end.This is what the writer explained in the title of the last episode : there is no answer in our life, however my answer is only you.

22 hours ago, stroppyse said:

I'll repeat myself to say that I do not think that this drama handled the family dynamics all that well.

I can agree on this and at the same time it seems to me that the writer wanted to make it clear that the problems of families are always complex and that is how it happens to everyone and that the right and peaceful people shouldn't break family ties easily as we saw how Chuck her visits her father in prison, although he beats her, but Because she and another ppl understood how people and parents survive in the face of temptations for money, power, status, drugs, love, etc.

we see too how Dali still respects her uncle who insulted her in this way and how her uncle cut his relationship with his brother for the cause of adoption and also cut his relationship with his son who didn't Isupport for him in the beginning.. and how Mohak still talks with his father since his childhood and we saw his Pictures in his room and his memories with his father before they became rich and how he makes his father to fix his mistakes and take responsibility for his mistake...And how Dali's father still gives so many chances to his nephew, as Mohak told Dali about family relationships are not perfect always and like paintings.

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[stroppyse]

3 hours ago, Hanin said:

I can agree on this and at the same time it seems to me that the writer wanted to make it clear that the problems of families are always complex

 

I think you give this writer too much credit. You make a compelling case for your points, but I do not believe that this drama conveyed the richness of your thoughts very well at all. It took a comedic path and short-cutted its way through a lot of complicated topics which is why this drama felt unsatisfying for me, except for the OTP romance itself where it did a much better job of both character and plot development.

 

It also tackled the issue of their differences in education and upbringing. I can only assume that with DL's help, MH continues to educate himself further since it was lack of opportunity not intellect that caused MH to be ill-educated.

 

This being outside the scope of this drama, I agree with DL that one should be with the person one loves rather than a person that one who is similar to you, however, in the long term, a couple can grow together or grow apart, but living is about growing and learning at all ages. If they are unable to grow together as a couple, then it will make the long term relationship more challenging.

 

3 hours ago, Hanin said:

how did Ki Chul focus on the status of the rich and prepare to do everything so that he isn't the son of the owner of the restaurant Jamjang, and in the end of the episode, he accepts to be the son of the owner of the restaurant

 

The problem with Ki Chul is that there was no room for him in the central business of Dondon F&B which were the gamjatang restaurants which MH was running capably. Wanting to be acknowledged as a true son of MH's father, even if not born of his blood, KC decided that he needed to bring in something bigger and more lucrative than the gamjatang restaurants into the family business portfolio.

 

Btw, the fact that KC changed his name legally to his stepfather's was a pretty big character point that was seemingly glossed over for laughs. KC is also portrayed as a rather narcissistic character who thinks to utilize anything he can to his own advantage while being too cowardly to actually do much, including watching a man die and filming it. It's only his own incompetence that keeps getting in his way of his own ambition. His final redemption via MH getting shot on his behalf at least uses a dramatic device to bring about his sense of despair. Though given how his character was handled in the previous 14 episodes, it makes it suspect that his despair is as much at his own failure and dim prospects as it may be for MH's injury.

 

3 hours ago, Hanin said:

how Jung Goo in the beginning was poisoned and depression spread around her and the way she treat Dali Because she didn't accept herself and hate herself, and in the end we saw how she accepted herself and gathered her courage to face anything,

 

Good observation. Gong Ju (I think you meant this character rather than Jung Goo?) conveyed a lot with scarce material to show her character arc over the length of this drama.

 

3 hours ago, Hanin said:

we saw the cousin at first, he didn't show anything conscience and didn't accept responsibility, and in the end we saw that he entered prison and wanted to take responsibility and pay for it

 

The cousin's portrayal was a bit confusing actually. Yes, he started as abusing his position to smuggle drugs in, allowed his uncle to die in his own greed, and didn't want to take responsibility for any of it. As with druggies, he kept pleading for another chance to go straight, but it's clear that he had abused his chances again and again. It's only when he was completely out of options that he had no choice but to take responsibility. Given that this is a comedy and it was the end of the drama, there really was no other option other than for Si Hyung to go to prison.

 

Anyway, thanks for your opinions on the family dynamics on this drama. As I've said, you make a much more compelling arguments on behalf of these characters than the writer has actually written. It was a pleasure to read. Thank you.

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Post Drama Interview: Kim Min Jae Reveals Why He Took His Role In “Dali And Cocky Prince,” Impression Of Park Gyu Young, And More

 

Following the finale of his drama “Dali and Cocky Prince,” Kim Min Jae sat down for an interview to discuss his thoughts on his role, what it was like working with Park Gyu Young, and more!

 

KBS’s “Dali and Cocky Prince” is a rom-com drama starring Kim Min Jae as Jin Mu Hak, a man who lacks traditional schooling book smarts but is extremely resourceful at making a living, and Kim Dal Li, a woman who is intellectually polished and comes from an elite background but doesn’t know how to take care of herself.

 

Kim Min Jae commented, “I felt a lot of pressure since it was my first time taking on the comedy genre. The point of comedy is to make people laugh, but I’m not a funny person and don’t have the ability for it. Because of that, I tried to focus on my role as Jin Mu Hak as much as I possibly could. As a result, I think there were some scenes that could make viewers smile.”

 

As for his most memorable line, Kim Min Jae pinpointed the phrase, “You’re taking a dump.” He elaborated, “It’s a phrase I rarely use in real life, but I thought that it was suitable for someone like Jin Mu Hak. When I first read it during the script reading I remember going overboard and exaggerating the tone. There were also a lot of ad-libs like dance moves and strange movements. I had fun filming it and I’m glad the viewers enjoyed it as well.”

 

Although he once said he had nothing in common with his role, Kim Min Jae remarked that after spending eight months in the role, he’s discovered some similar aspects between the role and himself. He also mentioned that the reason he wanted to take on the role was because it was a character he really wanted to portray. “We aren’t similar to each other, so if you ask me how I went about portraying him, I would say that I took the very minuscule feelings inside of me and amplified them,” he shared.

 

Thus far, Kim Min Jae has earned favorable reviews for the versatility and great depth of his roles in dramas such as “Dr. Romantic” and “Do You Like Brahms?” When asked why he tries to take on a change in every role, the actor responded that he is the type to choose the role he wants to do based on that moment and timing. He added, “It’s not because I want to hit it big or reach a certain status. I’m someone who wants to do what I think is enjoyable in that moment, and it’s turned out nicely. I don’t regret any of my choices.”

 

Kim Min Jae’s affectionate scenes with Park Gyu Young in the drama also became a hot topic. He said, “I had fun filming with her. Whenever I film, I tend to be cautious and considerate. Park Gyu Young is the same way. We worked hard to get the angles just right.”

 

He continued, “Park Gyu Young called me a strong and dependable actor, but I had no idea she would describe me like that. Although she said that about me, I think she’s the strong and dependable one. In the second half of the drama, Dal Li had a lot of emotional scenes. I thought that I wouldn’t be able to do it if it were me, but watching her do so many of those scenes in a single day, I thought she was amazing.”

 

 

Kim Min Jae also revealed that he’s the type to search for viewers’ reactions to see their thoughts about his scenes. “I think ‘Dali and Cocky Prince’ is the drama that’s given me the most nicknames,” he commented. “Among the most memorable ones are ‘jellyfish’ and ‘Jin darling.’ I also liked the reaction I saw that said, ‘He’s the male lead in a Korean drama, but he makes me feel embarrassed for him. But he also makes my heart flutter.’ They saw exactly what I had expressed through my role.”

 

Wrapping up the interview with his year-end plans, Kim Min Jae said, “I’ll be preparing for my next project and trying to stay in shape. After watching the final episode, I actually couldn’t sleep. I felt so sad at the thought that it had come to an end. I still can’t take a good look at other scripts yet. I keep reading them as Jin Mu Hak. I’ll give him a proper goodbye.”

 

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Post Drama Interview: Park Gyu Young Shares What It Was Like To Work With Kim Min Jae In “Dali And Cocky Prince,” Her Real-Life Dating Style, And More

 

Park Gyu Young recently participated in a series of interviews for her drama “Dali and Cocky Prince,” which ended on November 11.

 

“Dali and Cocky Prince” was a rom-com drama starring Kim Min Jae as Jin Mu Hak, a man who lacks traditional schooling book smarts but is extremely resourceful at making a living, and Kim Dal Li, a woman who is intellectually polished and comes from an elite background but doesn’t know how to take care of herself.

 

Park Gyu Young said, “Dal Li and Mu Hak are very different people, but one of the messages of the drama is that people can be equal and open their hearts to each other regardless of age or background. I could relate to Dal Li learning to appreciate the heart more than externals and background. But in real life, I’m more realistic when it comes to my dating style. I think that it would be easier to get along with someone who has similar values and personality as me rather than someone who is my complete opposite. But that’s why I thought Dal Li and Mu Hak were particularly beautiful.”

 

About working with Kim Min Jae, she said, “As the scenes we had together increased from episode 1 to episode 16, we also had more personal interactions. We would discuss scenes together and help each other on set, making it easier to portray Dal Li and Mu Hak in the drama.”

 

She added in another interview, “Kim Min Jae is a strong and dependable person. He gave me a lot of energy as an actor, but his character also gives a lot of energy to my character, Dal Li. Thanks to him, I was able to complete filming well. If there’s another chance to work with him, I’d like that.”

 

Kim Dal Li is in a love square in the drama with Jin Mu Hak, Jang Tae Jin (Kwon Yool), and Joo Won Tak (Hwang Hee). Asked which of the characters was closer to her own ideal type, Park Gyu Young said, “Personally, my ideal type is someone that I can comfortably lean on. I really want to have a comfortable relationship with a comfortable person that I can share my difficulties, joys, and sorrows with, like a longtime friend.”

 

Park Gyu Young turns 30 (Korean age) next year. She said, “The time I spent acting in my twenties wasn’t a short period of time, but it passed by in the blink of an eye. I think that that was because I had the good fortune to play a lot of characters and live sincerely as those characters. There were many times when I would be harsh on myself, but after spending time as Kim Dal Li at the end of my twenties, I’ve learned a little about loving and cheering for myself. I want to tell myself in my 20s, ‘You worked really hard and did well.’ I also want to say, ‘Congratulations on having learned to love yourself and support yourself.’ A lot of people say that your 30s are a whole new world, so I’m curious to see what kind of mindset I’ll have.”

 

 

Regarding the short haircut she sported in “Dali and Cocky Prince,” as well as “Sweet Home” and “The Devil Judge,” she said, “I had no time to grow out my hair because I was doing so many projects back-to-back. It was inevitable that I would have to keep my hair short. I don’t really have a specific hairstyle that I think is prettiest on me. I like to express changes through my looks. I want to make people curious about whether I’m going to change up my hair for a role. I’m really proud when people tell me that they’ve heard people requesting my haircut in the salon.”

 

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On 11/13/2021 at 6:14 PM, stroppyse said:

I think you give this writer too much credit. You make a compelling case for your points, but I do not believe that this drama conveyed the richness of your thoughts very well at all. It took a comedic path and short-cutted its way through a lot of complicated topics which is why this drama felt unsatisfying for me, except for the OTP romance itself where it did a much better job of both character and plot development.

I didn't mean this to give credit to the writer. All I wanted to say according to the words and quotes that the writer made the characters said from the beginning of the episode to the end and he only said about family relationships they are complicated according to his view based on the words of Mohak and others.

What I mean, it is clear that the writer wanted to focus on the individual character and on doing what one loves and self-satisfaction and something about giving others opportunities and forgiving more than family ties and other things, he is clearly convinced that families in the rich class are not easy and always have complexity .

Look what this person said about Tai Jin's philosophy in contradiction to the philosophy of Dali's father and how (https://paint-music-with-me.tumblr.com/post/667803300149837824/hi-hello-so-i-finished-dali-and-the-cocky-prince) as I was told, Dali and Mohak apply the theory of Dali's father, and this is what the writer focused on.  

 

Yes, he didn't write many things, as you imagine and as you contemplate, but this wasn't his purpose unfortunately, and for this he succeeded in writing about a relationship between Dali and Mohak, and this fits with the title of the series and its type of comedy and focused on the application of the philosophy of Dali's father.

In this case, if the link doesn't open for you. here what that person wrote:👇

so I finished Dali and the Cocky Prince (2021)

and i loved it! it was well-written and refreshing to see the character dynamics play out the way it did. I appreciate every character and how complex they are compared to each other. 

one of the things that i want to put my 2 cents in is Jang Tae Jin’s ending bc it was interesting. (SPOILERS BELOW & weird ramblings)

 

Jang Tae Jin was one of the main antagonists in this show. He was the ex-fiance of Dali five years ago from the starting part of the story. He left her because he found out that she was adopted into the Cheongsang family and he was disgusted by that because he has this mindset of “people are who they are and should not pretend to be something they’re not” meaning (to him) if one is born “low”, then no matter what they do, they will always be “low”. 

 

His principle is the anti-thesis of the story which is coming directly from Dali’s father, Kim Nak Chun. The dad’s principle is somewhere of “people are like art, that you won’t know what they will become from just one brushstroke, from just one beginning. there’s always the chance to start over and be more than what’s perceived”. 

 

Tae Jin had the opportunity to be someone who could’ve been a second lead (before we knew what really happened) because he had “lingering” feelings for Dali. But the more we got to know him (the more brushstrokes were revealed), the more we got to see what kind of person he was: a rich, manipulative, powerful individual with no genuine person by his side and with no kindness in his heart.

 

I think his ending where he was able to get away with what happened because he has power and money but he never got what he truly wanted: the redevelopment of Dali’s land was fitting. Ofc he should’ve went to jail! I’m sure there was a way, but it was proven over and over again, that he can get away with whatever he wants. He has that superiority over every character in this show. It’s been shown time and time again. However, when Tae Jin was thwarted, came from when someone showed kindness (broad concept, I know but stick with me) and willingness to be open about to that other person who needed it. 

 

He was thwarted when Si Hyung revealed what really happened that night to Dali or when Moo Hak decided to come to Ki Chul’s aid (there’s probs other times but I can’t really remember those details). Ultimately, Tae Jin doesn’t count on the willingness of others to help. His own isolation and need for control over everything is his downfall while Kim Nak Chun and by proxy, Dali and even Moo Hak, are his antithesis. 

 

Dali was willing to hear Si Hyung out no matter how hard it was to hear about what she already accurately assumed. Dali was willing to help Gong Joo despite how painful that betrayal and the reveal of her motivations was (a smaller part of Tae Jin’s influence). Then there’s Moo Hak who has always been open towards Ki Chul as brothers and was willing to get violent to protect him against some thugs. 

 

I think there’s always going to be people who “win” with their money and power. But that’s not what is important in this show. It’s the bonds and decisions we make towards the people in our lives and how to be willing to open and understand that they are complex and need help. Yes, Jang Tae Jin is not in jail and is not paying for his sins. But he is alone, he didn’t get the redevelopment, he lost his puppets, and he was exposed as someone untrustworthy to the public. No amount of money and power can change that fact to the people that matter. 

 

On 11/13/2021 at 6:14 PM, stroppyse said:

Good observation. Gong Ju (I think you meant this character rather than Jung Goo?) conveyed a lot with scarce material to show her character arc over the length of this drama.

yes. sorry I'm bad at remembering Korean names 

 

On 11/13/2021 at 6:14 PM, stroppyse said:

Anyway, thanks for your opinions on the family dynamics on this drama. As I've said, you make a much more compelling arguments on behalf of these characters than the writer has actually written. It was a pleasure to read. Thank you.

I am glad that you enjoyed reading, why we have this Janghaven? in order to talk about show and understand the plot more and it is great to be able to know more with different view 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Hanin

[Tofu]

KBS must know we all love this drama. Haha!

 

[stroppyse]

3 hours ago, Tofu said:

KBS must know we all love this drama. Haha!

 

Yes, but will there be any new scenes? Perhaps scenes that had been cut for time earlier????

[ktcjdrama]

Finally finished this drama. The delay was not because it has become boring, but I don't really want to say goodbye to this lovely drama... Some of my thoughts below

 

Ep.15 - Are we stars too?

- Were that tears I see in TJ’s eyes? Not of sadness or regret, I believe. But more of rage and shame?

- Love how Dali keeps reaching out to Gong Ju. Hopefully her reassuring Gong Ju that they too could be stars and that they’re not broken toys can finally be understood by Gong Ju.

- Wow, the reveal of what actually happened. So the cause of death is not made up. Dali’s father indeed died of heart attack, but only because of provocation from TJ and him not allowing medicine to help the old man. 

- JKC is really such a naive person. He is so green, yet so greedy. He thinks just with that video clip alone, he can steer TJ? smh…

- The ending got me in tears. Of course I know MH will survive and not die. But still, knowing that Dali is waiting for him, he even said that he still needs to go see his love made me so sad. And that’s a lot of blood!! I’m so glad that WT was there too, otherwise, for sure cannot trust that useless simpleton brother of him to save MH. Well, at least he seems to be sincerely panicking about MH being injured.

 

Ep.16 - Our life has no right answer. Only you are my right answer.

- O gosh, the family of MH *rolleyes* It's the last episode and they’re still so not likeable. The father telling Dali to stay away from MH, urgh! By halfway of the episode, he was still asking Dali the same thing, stating a valid reason of not being able to face Dali. But dude, that's your problem. Why MH has to suffer because of your feel of shame? I'm like, what?? don't tell me we're going the noble idiocy route?? Then there was the 1 year time jump, and I was like, arrrghhhh!! They're ruining such a great drama with a stupid noble idiocy and time jump ending *pullingmyhairandfeelingangry* ~ but ~ ~ they got me good, haha... no noble idiocy at all. Boy, am I glad I stayed clear of any spoilers before watching, haha...

- MH wanting to doll up himself before meeting Dali made me laughed so much... I was thinking most people would play up the sickness and act miserable. But no. MH has to look his best even when hospitalised. *thumbsup*

- Chak Hee working together at the museum was great. This girl is an opportunist (in a positive way). She must not have a lot of money that any way she could get free lunch, she's all for it. 

- It's also great to see Dali and GongJu getting along like a bestie now. Finally that girl came to her senses. 

- The ending narration by Dali's father was a really nice touch to send the message of the importance that he sees regarding the existence of the museum. Just with one ticket.

- I really love the ending where Dali and MH stood together holding hands. I miss her curls though, haha...

 

I also love that the show doesn't skimp on the kisses between OTP. 

And they live happily ever after. The End.

 

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by ktcjdrama

[abs-oluteM]

These 3 will host the special broadcast ...KMJ can't make it but will join via video chat

[mademoiselle]

 

 

[ktcjdrama]

@mademoiselle I bet those staff/co-ordi/stylists are low-key crushing on KMJ. How can one not be? 

[abs-oluteM]

26 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

@mademoiselle I bet those staff/co-ordi/stylists are low-key crushing on KMJ. How can one not be? 

Yes, he's charming with plenty of personality. Now to wait for his next drama.

 

Some stuff from the special eps

 

[Hanin]

1 hour ago, abs-oluteM said:

 

Some stuff from the special ep

this too 😂 the way qyuyoung was surprised like us 

 

I wish if someone could  translate their dialog 

 

wow so cute 😭

 

I love the boss/ Secretary duo, the are the Best and that imagination pllllliz

 

[ssteph]

I didn't know KBS uploaded special episode clips on YouTube. Thank you KBS  

[abs-oluteM]

@ssteph Kocowa is subbing it - so there should subbed eps later out there.

[Tofu]

Kim Min Jae was so emotional on the last day of filming. 

 

[mademoiselle]

2021.12.31 KBS Drama Awards

 

Best New Actress - Park Gyu Young

 

Best Couple

 

Excellence Actor Award, miniseries - Kim Min Jae

 

[mademoiselle]

Red carpet

 

Spoiler